@wegster

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One question- is the new card in the same PCI slot, just to be completely thorough?

Well it is in the same slot that the SB started out in. I changed it to test like some others recommended but no luck there either.

@DaveAE

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Ok, I can reproduce the lock-up myself pretty easy now: just using the soundtest, running ftpd and copying 2 or 3 large files across the 100Mbit LAN, and freeze assured within 1 minute (edit: ok, sometimes it takes longer). And the Aureon (using Envy24HT) has no problems at all..

There you see I knew you could do it!

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You can now all stop doing tests...

Great, finally! I was reluctant to move the SB back into the box but since I promised wegster I felt obligated, but now you let me off the hook.

Anyway, all 10 ISO's were downloaded now and this was via playback from a playlist on a USB stick which btw is in it's third day playing continuously now (good thing I don't have to listen to it ).

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@DaveAE
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Ok, I can reproduce the lock-up myself pretty easy now: just using the soundtest, running ftpd and copying 2 or 3 large files across the 100Mbit LAN, and freeze assured within 1 minute (edit: ok, sometimes it takes longer). And the Aureon (using Envy24HT) has no problems at all.. You can now all stop doing tests...

Thank Glod! Hopefully you'll be able to make heads and tales of this connundrum!

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@jack

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Does anyone knows about "Articia S"'s operating temperature specs? It is pretty hot sitting there under the cpu module (I do suffer crashes under linux 2.6.9, but much less frequently, now fitted the extra fan at different angle to allow the articia more air flow).

I'll see if anyting on Articia S temp is available & update the info here.

My major concern however is the "general" temp inside the case(s).

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@wegster

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As a refresher, George was one of two people pretty publicly working on fixes for the Via 686B/SB Live issues as encountered years ago on some PC mainboards a few years back. If you follow the linkes I posted at the start of this thread, his name re-occurs fairly often.

did they install heatsinks on the PC mainboards during that time, or was this before heatsinks were needed?

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@DaveAE
*phew* Congrats, now you can 'join the club!' Seriously, glad you're able to reproduce it. Can we now all claim we are NOT crazy?

@Interesting
RE: heatsinks.
Check the links- This wasn't believed to be a heat issue 'back then' which was AFAIK 2001-early 2003 roughly. It's possible in _our_ cases heat was a cause for some of the bad behavior already prone by the SB/686B combo..hell, it's _still_ possible if we could cool the chip, perhaps we wouldn't see it as frequently, or it might become 'only' distorion on the PCI bus and thus sound etc...

PS- I DO however, have a NorthBridge cooler and a hacksaw, if nescessary

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number6 wrote: @graffias79 I believe Audigy was mentioned in this thread several times with similar results. Best Wishes, #6

Sorry, I had no time to read it all, even though i *should* have I guess, but my point was about the flaky southbridge implementation on the A1XE. Not that it matters anyway since everyone knows it's a heat issue over and over...

@wegster

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Can we now all claim we are NOT crazy?

Hehe, well, I wouldn't go that far..
But seriously, I tried to alter some settings in the PCI config space of the emu10kx regarding latency, but I found out they were read-only. When I view them, there is a big difference between the emu10kx and envy24ht. The latter has some values at 0, whereas the emu10kx has them specified much higher. Anyway, can't change them, so I have to look into changing values on the via686, but I couldn't find anything quickly that I could try. I'll ask other OS4 devs if they know where to look.

It's clear to me that this is no heat issue in itself, although you could have this as additional problem.

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@amipal

Could you use a laptop heat pipe in that narrow space?

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Interesting wrote: @wegster Quote: As a refresher, George was one of two people pretty publicly working on fixes for the Via 686B/SB Live issues as encountered years ago on some PC mainboards a few years back. If you follow the linkes I posted at the start of this thread, his name re-occurs fairly often. did they install heatsinks on the PC mainboards during that time, or was this before heatsinks were needed?

My old (and dead) MSI-6330 V3.0 (VIA KT133A/686B based) motherboard has a heat sink on the northbridge.

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@Hammer
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Could you use a laptop heat pipe in that narrow space?

Not sure - there's about 3mm clearance between the module and the Articia.

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@DaveAE
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Ok, I can reproduce the lock-up myself pretty easy now: just using the soundtest, running ftpd and copying 2 or 3 large files across the 100Mbit LAN, and freeze assured within 1 minute (edit: ok, sometimes it takes longer). And the Aureon (using Envy24HT) has no problems at all..

/me tosses his bloody noisy SB Live card in the trash. Problem solved.

Now to install a real sound card.. hmm.. so many to chose from thanks to you.

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Note, btw, that my SB Live and probably many others do have bus mastering. I just checked that.
Anyway, it seems the Articia doesn't have the registers we were looking for which leaves us with very little options.

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Note, btw, that my SB Live and probably many others do have bus mastering. I just checked that. Anyway, it seems the Articia doesn't have the registers we were looking for which leaves us with very little options.

Time to get a new sound card then... Oh well, the Soundblaster isn't that great anyway!

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@DaveAE

Today its not hot weather here in Gothenburg, specially now
01.25 so its even cool in my room.

I did buy 2x120mm ADDA Fan. One in the back to blow out hot air
and one in the front to blow in fresh air. The CPU fan
(Zalman VGA 700 AlCo) is on the fullspeedblow so its noisy.
And now my whole case is just as cool as me :)

Tryed out DaveAE's aiffplayer. Started dnetc, and Amitradecenter
sending 2x700mb files. After maybe 5 minutes i got the famous
lockup. And as i have a really cool solution as i see it its not
a Heat problem. My VCORE is set as it should be, described.
My 933mhz CPU is downclocked to 800mhz.

So what happened. ATC still kept working even after the lockup.
It continued to upload the 2x700mb files to my xbox.
But the whole WB locked up. I mean i couldn't move the mousepointer
att all. So i tryed to both cold/warmboot using the keyboard but
no success. Only way was to use the reset button on the computercase.

Next week ill have my ESI Juli@ card (thanks Dave) and then ill test
the same using it and i hope it will work forever :) However i dont have
that much time to wait :') (forever test)
Ill inform you how it goes. See ya then.

@thread

Just another confirmation. Popped the TerraTec Phase28 in today (although I suck, didn't realize the outputs were 1/4", and not sure how to configure them under AOS either..), but now going on several hours playing AmigaAmp, and downloading ISos, plus dnetc, no issues yet.

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@wegster
Ok, so left it going overnight, downloaded 9 ISOs at the same time, hitting download rates of up to 600k/second (which actually seems higher than I've seen yet, hmm), now 12+ hours nonstop.

People, chuck your soundblasters unless DaveAE or another dev is able to find a fix for this one.

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@wegster

I just ran the test here on my setup. Used a couple different things to transfer through the network while the sound was running. Pulled about 4 or 5 GB of stuff throught AmiTradeCenter straight off my network server's FTP, averaged about 4.5 MB/s for over 1/2 hour. Then I loaded up ClassAction to do some copying through some SMBFS mounts from the server. Brought my NetMon window's byte count up to 11.06 GB total, and it averaged about 5.5 to 6 MB/s for at least another 45 minutes.

Never once had any sound hiccups or lockups.

Just as a reminder, this is with a Soundblaster 16 (not an Emu10Kx card, using the SB128 driver for AHI) and I have my IDE drives all plugged into a Sii0680 controller card.

I've thought about pulling all that apart and plugging the hard drives (not the CD drives) into the VIA to test this again. If I do I can post here again.

I would say not necessarily all SoundBlasters should be thrown out, but definitely the "Live" ones.

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@DWolfman

Umm, scratch that. I got a "lockup", sort of.

Though I'm not so sure it was the sound issue.

Anyway, I then tried doing both ATC and ClassAction transferring files at the same time. Seemed to be working fine. ClassAction got through it's files fine (about 5 GB worth) and ATC was about 1/3rd of the way through it's 5 GB of stuff. The sound was still playing fine.

Then I tried to change directories in ClassAction, and it wouldn't respond. Pretty much at this point, the Workbench was locked, though ATC continued transferring it's files, and the sound continued playing fine.

I had to reboot (cold reboot) to get out of it.

I want to say I've had this happen with ClassAction before, so it most likely is something there interacting with Workbench instead of the sound card, especially since the sound was still working fine right up to the reboot.

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@DWolfman
yeah, good point- although it appears to happen on Audigy cars as well as the SB Lives, I guess it is not a problem with the SB16, although where are you gonna buy one of those new?

I went through Comp-USA today, scary lame place- would you like an Audigy, or an Audigy?

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@wegster

Well, I did buy mine new from a local shop, back in Dec '03 when I got my Amiga.

You might find one in a clearance rack somewhere. Another option would be to find an SB128, though. Don't know if they are still around.

Did a quick search at www.pricewatch.com and found this:

http://www.pricewatch.com/prc.aspx?i=202&m=808

One entry! That particular chipset (the ES1370) is listed in the SB128 archive as being supported by that AHI driver. I tried searching PriceWatch for the others, including my card's CT5880, but no others showed up.

Did some Google searches and came up with lots of driver downloads and Linux/ALSA pages. Nothing of any note saying they are for sale.

For reference in case someone goes digging through a box of old cards, look for Ensoniq or Creative Labs cards with the following chips on them:

ES1370
ES1371
ES1373
CT5880
EV1938

Those are listed as supported by the SB128 AHI driver.

BTW, I won't shop at CompUSA any more. I go either to MicroCenter (there is one near me) or to local computer shops. MicroCenter is the only "big" name computer store I'll go to any more. Even Best Buy puts me off too much (always trying to sell me something I don't want or need).

www.microcenter.com to see if you have one nearby. There aren't too many around just yet, but they are a nice place to go look at/for stuff for PCs because they have a large variety of things in there, including a decent selection of parts (fans, cards, drives, cases, etc) and modding stuff (lights, case mods, etc), all at decent prices.

Last edited by DWolfman on 17-Jul-2005 at 02:31 AM.

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