@freaks

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freaks wrote: ... bah, classic can wait.

Sorry for contradicting you, but - no, it can't.
Classic hardware is not getting younger.

(What you suggest is just like suggesting TODAY that outstanding compensations for the crimes the Nazis commited still can wait for annother couple of years, until all the victims passed away. This might come in handy for certain parties, but...)
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freaks wrote: what can not is future..

Be assured, it can.
Actually, it does wait since the Commodore demise in 1994...
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freaks wrote: new boards you can buy bundled with os4.

Which "new boards" are you talking about?
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freaks wrote: there will be no new 1200/4000..

and appearently no new AOne's, eigther...
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freaks wrote: let's act for the future first.. then the past, imho.

I think it would be better to do one step after the other and not the second before the first...

No-one builds a house from the roof down to the cellar - everyone would call that "madness"...

Face the facts:
Without "yesterday" there is no "today" or "tomorrow".
It is not possible yet to do time-travels...

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freaks wrote: as i wrote in another (wrong) thread, i was suspecting the delays for new hardware may be related to legal problems, i was thinking: hyperion licenced os4 for "amigaone" b rand and line of computers. if amigaone isn't produced anymore, what's left?

The classic Amigas expanded with a PPC card, for example...
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freaks wrote: ... if amiga inc is the cause, they slow down os4, preventing new comers to jump in the amiga train, etc.. if this is true they're doing very bad thing, i would consider them very badly.. as enemy maybe.

Well, since the coupon thingie I consider them to be a buch of betrayers, unles I finally get my coupon, t-shirt and CAM is revived so that my "lifelong membership" can make sense again...

When I said that two years ago I got flamed here.
But I was confident that time would proof me right and today everyone can see I was right.

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@Dandy

Hey, i got my t-shirt and the 50 bucks was as an investment
into the future, wich is still ongoing. As for the CAM, yes, we
miss that because it was a source of information of the things
that where happening around Amiga and OS4 and the AmigaOne.

But we got plenty of comments by the Friedens themselfs abouth
OS4 and we had many mailinglists in the beginning, even one
with Eyetech on.

So for me, i have not missed that much, as i have here before me
an AmigaOne with OS4 on, and Amiga is doing there thing with AA (DE).
Everything is still like they planned it, just the troubles with genesis
we could have missed, as now the problems with the hardware for
the amiga-ppc-platform. Those are 2 reasons why everything is slipping.

And to refresh your memory's, here is an old chart i made wich
is not updated since late 2003, but still gives a good images what
was planned in the beginning:

http://users.pandora.be/amigaone/skynet/new-amiga-road.html

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@Dirk-B

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And to refresh your memory's, here is an old chart i made wich

*grin*

Yay, AmigaOS4.5 is around the corner! And just look at AmigaDEad 2.0 on my Blackberry. Yummie.

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For me OS4 "IS" at 4.5.

And AA is something i do not followup anymore.

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@wegster
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So, it would at least _seem_ the 'real holdup' is what we already know- get new hardware and os4 ported/debugged on it, see os4 final, see os4 for classics.

Then the next question or problem is probably what new hardware Hyperion regards as "sufficient" for releasing OS4 final.

When the Powervixxen is released - would that make such a better impression on websites such as Slashdot, OSNews, etc.?
New hardware for the Amiga 1200 running at 400 Mhz which needs an additional dongle to run standalone? Most who read it will either laugh or think "Wow, what a cool & geeky toy!"
So we might even have to wait until the PV and additional "real" new hardware such as the Amy'05 is released - and this can, imho still take ages...

Good point @ hatschi

The Powervixxen is nothing but a faster Blizzppc, which still needs a classic to run.

That is why I do not understand Hyperions stand towards porting that OS4 to the Classic platform.

I have been bloody waiting 4 years for that OS4, and now, what I get is just some promises that it'll come when OS4 for AOnes goes Final.

Seriously. I couldn't care less about Aones, because I am not to keen on buggy Hardware.

I'm happy with my BlizzPPC, as are many other users I know (Trust me, I know alot :D ).

But oh well, as i already said in my other post, we have to go on with 3.9.

Greetz

Hagbard

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They do not want to release OS4 for Classics until OS4 final,

thanks for clarify this point.

For a moment, i misunderstood Rogue comment about Classic release and now i totally agree (AOS4 for Classic ONLY when AOS4 will be final).

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(What you suggest is just like suggesting TODAY that outstanding compensations for the crimes the Nazis commited still can wait for annother couple of years, until all the victims passed away. This might come in handy for certain parties, but...)

Thanks a lof for comparing us to Nazis... I really appreciate that

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@Dandy

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(What you suggest is just like suggesting TODAY that outstanding compensations for the crimes the Nazis commited still can wait for annother couple of years, until all the victims passed away. This might come in handy for certain parties, but...)

I am sorry to say so, but comparing OS 4 with Nazi crimes that cost millions of lives is outstandingly tasteles and inappropriate. Even bringing in such a statement here is tasteless beyond compare, and if it was intended to be a joke, it's even more tasteless. I must say that I am quite shocked.

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@Rogue and EntilZha

Yep, i completly agree. Arguing about an OS is one thing, but comparing the programmers and the OS itself to the Nazi-era is just a tasteless thing to do.

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@Ami603

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Ami603 wrote: @_Steve_ Ditto,and now i wonder what would make a less difficult task to hack the Classics version than the already (since quite a while) available Amigaone version.

You can`t buy the A-one version without an A-one. Maybe one day you will be able to buy the classic version on it`s own which makes it more available, it will then draw the interest of people who want to run it elsewhere. Why would Hyperion even care? If I pay for the OS then I can run it where I like, if that`s ever possible.

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I'm Sorry for the double post, but i think that this topic are similar

@all

I bet on IBM.
The company could be interested in helping other startup .
Troika, Elbox, PowerVixxen could draw advantage of this situation.

http://www-1.ibm.com/partnerworld/pwhome.nsf/weblook/index.html
http://punto-informatico.it/p.asp?i=58351&r=PI (IBM embrace the Partners)
Quote from the article:
"La parola d'ordine in casa IBM è diventata "collaborazione":" (The password at IBM has become: "Collaboration")

Although there are no word related to PowerPC processors, i think IBM will help whoever uses its technologies, especially after Apple has left an empty field. The most acute observer have been notice the fast answer from IBM - after Apple decided to change platform - when the company has immediately released more faster and powerfull PPC processors and has announced other's monster processors (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29531)
IBM know what Amiga was: "MorphOS was inspired by the efficiency found in the original Commodore Amiga and its remarkable multitasking OS."
http://www-304.ibm.com/jct09002c/gsdod/weblistfilter.do?prog=RFIT&tab=1&searchWord=amiga
Other possibility:
http://www.pegasosppc.com/freeworkstation.php

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@Rogue

i don't know what that comment was but,
one thing about nazis,
it's over (big news)
it's a relic from the past, a bad dream, but they are no more..
so in my pov, it's just some crazy caricatures for military fan boys, such as amigaworld.net's moderation / admins and tos...
i could use such terms, it would mean it's used as a caricature, nothing more.

you know the best about bad dreams? on the morning you awake, and you think to something else.

lots of ppl died, i'm sorry, i respect this, i don't like nazis, but well, all wars did the same.. so, ppl should stop being afraid of ghosts,
hitler won't wake up from tomb ;)

and you know the proverb: better laugh than cry about something sad you cannot control..


now back on the subject, where's amy05? :)
also, if os4 was supposed ready for xmas, it mean unicode support is already done? i mean on ibrowse official website, it say unicode support will be provided with ib2.4 by using os4 abilities (read os4 provide unicode, ib just use it..)

well.. quite a pointless post ..
you all know we want to buy new hardware, so we're waiting ,
any news report / status update would be appreciable..


and about the pegasos port, i'm sorry to say i agree with chris,
most of the time you said: ""you know why.... i won't repeat myself Again""
but it never was stated clearly iirc.. the "you know why" is quite blurry,
everyone can put whatever he want there.. it was never clarified for real.
all we know is, there's problems to do the port. we don't know which one in details .. but .. as long as other hardware are available, i would care that much ;)

@Rogue

I don't see him comparing OS4 or it's developers with anything Nazi.

I see him comparing the victims with our rather old hardware. Nothing really to get mad about as the comparison is somehow correct. Not saying a better example could not be found though!

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@Hagbard_Celine

seems u need a slap in the head , powervixxen works standalone too (no need to have a host motherboard) .. so in other words , you dont need to have a a1200 to use a powervixxen.

i suggest u read up in the future.

ps:u say buggy hw .. now what the hell is perfect with the a1200 and a4000's ? .. how many revisions did commodore do? ... how many problems are still standing? .. get a life.

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@freaks

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so in my pov, it's just some crazy caricatures for military fan boys, such as amigaworld.net's moderation / admins and tos...

Good one.

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@Dandy

Back off a little please with the National Socialist analogies.

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@Toaks
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@Hagbard_Celine seems u need a slap in the head , powervixxen works standalone too (no need to have a host motherboard) .. so in other words , you dont need to have a a1200 to use a powervixxen.

That's what most of us know (at least the people who read the SAFIR article). But you seem to miss the point somehow:

The reason why OS4 is not released as 'final' is that Hyperion wants to wait for new hardware which justfies to release it. The release of OS4 only for the BlizzardPPC/CPPC is not an appropriate news-item, since it is not hardware which you can buy new in a shop. Not being a Betatester, I don't know more about the other reasons. From what I heard, OS4 is already running very well on the Classics. Support of certain expansion hardware is still a problem, but I guess nobody would expect Hyperion to support each strange clockport adaptor ever produced. So one (for example Mr. polka) could ask why OS4 is not released for BPPC/CPPC with the current limitations, adding an option to upgrade when new drivers and more support is added.

Btw, a quote from the IRC log:
"Coder: Are you spending more time on the OS4 version for the "classic" Amiga now that you are waiting with the final release for new hardware?
EntilZha: Not really. Except for the real low-level stuff, both versions are basically the same..."

So how much can be missing then in the Classic PPC version if OS4 could have already been released as "final" in December 2005 if there would have been hardware? I don't get it.

Getting back to my initial point, the next reason for not releasing OS4 for the Classic now that was given is that it wouldn't make a good news item on major IT-websites.
I agree with hatschi there, I do not see why the PV would be so much better as a news item:

"Amiga OS4 final released - runs on 299$ 400-466Mhz A1200 expansion" Later in the text they will mention that it can be also made to run stand-alone with (additional?) accesories.

Don't get me wrong there. I will buy a Powervixxen and I absolutely like the whole idea behind it. Why do I like it? Because I am an Amiga-geek. Don't think that people reading these news-sites have a similar opinion or only get fascinated by the fact that it's "Amiga". However I see that there are potential sales to people remembering their past, when they had an Amiga, and who are looking for something "interesting" after a boring phase with Windows XP. They need to have some money of course, because it doesn't qualify just as a toy (e.g. C64DTV) because it still costs $299, but surely, you will get a lot more functionality with it. I just don't think it will sell like hotcakes.

Releasing OS4 as "evaluation version", "pre-final candidate" or even as "final" now won't do any harm to the "big bang" news item which can be posted later when OS4 final is available bundled with new hardware.
How can it hamper the sales of OS4/new hardware if it's already made available to Classic PPC before?
I rather see the contrary: Many Classic PPC users will buy OS4 (generating r.o.i), will enjoy it very much and will consider the purchase of new hardware which makes their experience with OS4 even more enjoyable. Double sales.

Whoops, got a bit carried away.

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@polka.

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EntilZha: Not really. Except for the real low-level stuff, both versions are basically the same..."

Basically the same doesn't necessarily mean that all the extra hardware available has drivers written for it.

Not releasing OS4 for Classics makes perfect enconomic sense atm:
1) No hardware to buy, so limited total market effect
2) Massive support costs for installation on classics and for telling people that Hardware item X/Y/Z doesn't have support.
3) Not able to bundle it with sold hardware increases chance of piracy and therefore more lost sales.

btw the difference with support for MorphOS is that it isn't a commercial product, and therefore no real support needs to be provided. If Hyperion market a Classic version, then support is required on the stated hardware.

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