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This is the question people are dodging as i'm afraid its not a good answer.

Maybe you are just asking the wrong people? I for one cannot answer this question, as you should very well know, so why claim that questions are "dodged" when you just ask the wrong people?

And please not this "you cannot contact Amiga" or any such nonsense. For one thing, yes you can, and secondly, it is irrelevant anyway since it does not invalidate my point - I am not dodging any questions (or rather answers).

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And before the trolls and fanatics come in, please back up your claims..

Oh yeah, I forgot... Trolls and Fanatics, that's always the others...

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thats pretty much the BIG question.

No it isn't a question. The assumption that Hyperion would invest five years and more than half a million euros in something that isn't released at one point is pretty ridiculous if you ask me.

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so dont spin it!!!

That was almost enough to make me ignore the question.

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Apart from changes that might happen due to contractual reasons, I don't think Hyperion is interested in going the desktop route any further (i.e OS 4.1/OS 5.0).

Good thing you are not Hyperion.

Note though that what you know as "OS 5" was entirely Amgia's idea and plannings... We never looked that far into the future.

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Good thing you are not Hyperion.

Yes, I am also glad about that. I wouldn't like to be in that situation of spending more than five years and half a million Euros on something that can't even be released afterwards due to hardware unavailability.

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Note though that what you know as "OS 5" was entirely Amgia's idea and plannings... We never looked that far into the future.

I don't care about Amiga Inc. naming, which was pretty much daft & bogus all the time anyways. I was referring to anything beyond OS 4.0 as a desktop OS, no matter how you call it.
I don't see a high possibility that you can or want to continue desktop development because

- you stated yourself that you don't see any "customers outside the grounp of Amiga-fanatics."
- you stated that "the desktop market does not yield enough turnover to be feasible. "
- the buyback clause is a joke compared to Hyperions investment of 0.5 million Euros

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We never looked that far into the future.

The timeframe of "sixth months after the completion of OS 4.0" should be enough for now.

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The assumption that Hyperion would invest five years and more than half a million euros in something that isn't released at one point is pretty ridiculous if you ask me.

Why does it seem ridiculous to you? Companies abandon liability projects all the time. Depending on the size of the company, some even manage to stay in business after having made such an "investment".

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@Rogue

I’m where happy whit AmigaOS4

But yes there is few planed features left…

New memory system.

And a few HW / SW problems

USB device drop outs,
HW problem I think, works after a full reset.

3D + Sound = Noise
Hope they found software solution for this.

I have fixed the DMA issue
Thanks Eyetech for the HW fix description.

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Why does it seem ridiculous to you?

Perhaps it is because of Hyperions plans for OS4, and because hardware that OS4 can run on is on its way.

@polka.

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I wouldn't like to be in that situation of spending more than five years and half a million Euros on something that can't even be released afterwards due to hardware unavailability.

When IBM developed the PCs they didn't have an OS to run on it.

@Rogue

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And please not this "you cannot contact Amiga" or any such nonsense. For one thing, yes you can, and secondly,

I have genuinely tried to ask Amiga Inc. about this whole crazy situation of no hardware (not licensing as such) - and they didn't respond.

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I have fixed the DMA issue Thanks Eyetech for the HW fix description.

Although I have read about the details being sent to repair centers along with
NDA, is there anything in print officially from Alan since this a year ago:
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There are no 'officially sanctioned' XE UDMA repairs. There is no layout issue with the motherboard as far as the IDE stuff is concerned. IDE UDMA works fine unless the ethernet driver is started. This is either a driver or (more likely IMO) a VIA initialisation issue. All the 'fix' does is to use a hardware trick to give the VIA higher bus priority which, by chance, was found to stop it putting out illegal data on the PCI bus (causing the DMA to hang) when the ethernet is in operation. It may yet turn out to have side effects and is NOT a solution recommended by us.

I ask because there may -still- be some A1 owners who have not made up their
mind on whether to proceed with the "fix".

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about this whole crazy situation of no hardware (not licensing as such)

Where stupid to respond one on one base, probably a question lot of users wont to know about, better to write a blog or some thing

Anyway Amiga Inc do not produce hardware can’t respond on when the hw is ready, they are only responsible for the licensing, they most likely won’t sign a contract unless the HW exits or there’s a proper business plan and they feel they can trust the partners. (or not at all)

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I have genuinely tried to ask Amiga Inc. about this whole crazy situation of no hardware (not licensing as such) - and they didn't respond.

Let's be realistic. Adam from ACK Software Controls recently stated on IRC that he has had nothing but professional communications with Amiga Inc. regarding the licensing of his hardware projects. The difference is he is actually doing something tangible and has proven himself (e.g. MicroA1-C design) in the past that warrants communication versus some Amiga fanatic that wants private dealings with companies divulged so they can feel better. I admit I myself even wrote in to whine about the lack of hardware, blah, blah, blah and I didn't receive a response either. However, I have also written in about honest business dealings and I usually get a response within a few hours. Clearly Amiga Inc. is being picky about what they respond to and nothing more than that. I suppose we could argue about whether receiving a PFO (please fck off) email is more "professional" or not but I've received enough PFOs from companies in my time to know when I am getting a silent one.

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There is nothing new… but you should not solder your Amiga unless you know what your doing… work whit electronics in a repair shop for example.

It also states in the document that they do not know way increasing the IRQ level helps.

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ok. But since the quote from Alan indicates there is -no- sanctioned repair, but
we also have info outlining how to -do- the repair:
Which is the official line from Eyetech here?...do the repair? or not?

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I can be that Alen considerers it a hack, I don’t know way Alen spared the document to dealers if it where not to be used.

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I`m not an apologist but he was pestered into divulging the hack info iirc.

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I have genuinely tried to ask Amiga Inc. about this whole crazy situation of no hardware (not licensing as such) - and they didn't respond.

Amiga Inc don't make hardware so of course they won't answer.

@number6

There have been no problems relating to the DMA fix reported so far. I thinkmost people are happy to pay a few £/$/¤ for a HD card.

@Rogue

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Rogue wrote: The assumption that Hyperion would invest five years and more than half a million euros in something that isn't released at one point is pretty ridiculous if you ask me.

I agree, but something being ridiculous doesn't necessarily have to mean that something is not true.
In the post-Amiga era since the turn of the century it's been the other way round more often than not: It's been an easy way of establishing that something IS true when something is ridiculous, idiotic and pointless. "That doesn't make any sense at all, so I guess it's a bona fide AInc strategy." :P

There could very well have been (or still is? *shudder*) someone in charge of stuff who genuinely believed that AmigaOS could bring in half a million EUR when being sold only bundled with "special" hardware from "special" vendors on a "special" market. The result of that "strategy" is not much different from not releasing at all, QED. Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice... :D

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Knew what?

What he meant.

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So how should I answer that?

It looks to me you just did...

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