@Rogue

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For one thing, yes you can,

Once you said that "talking to Amiga Inc. is like talking to a brik wall", or something very close to that. What did you mean, then?

And if anyone can contact Amiga Inc, what's the way to do that? A way which will guarantee you an answer of some sort, of course, otherwise I'm afraid that the concept of "contact" you have in mind differs than anyone else's.

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@Rogue
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Good thing you are not Hyperion.

Gah, dude, you sure are able to make people's head spin.

It was you or your brother that said that the desktop market is dead, that there's no future for AmigaOS on the desktop, and that only Amiga fanatics would buy it on the desktop.

Can you make up your mind, please? For the peace of everyone!

And... ¤500,000 investment? I won't comment.

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@Number6:

It's not a "fix" or "repair", it's a hack in the best of Amiga tradition (rather like how to make an IBM PC floppy drive sort-of-work in an Amiga). It does not completely fix the problem, it only reduces the probability a few orders of magnitude. I don't recommend that people modify their XEs to install the hack, and so far, no one has asked me to modify his XE. You can get a far better "fix" by installing a fast PATA or SATA card, without the risk of damage.

Alan said that probably one day we will find out the secret of how to initialise the VIA chip to make it work properly. It's possible, but without knowing what goes into those Windows patches that mobo makers supply with their boards, we might never fix it.

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@Seehund
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I agree, but something being ridiculous doesn't necessarily have to mean that something is not true. In the post-Amiga era since the turn of the century it's been the other way round more often than not: It's been an easy way of establishing that something IS true when something is ridiculous, idiotic and pointless. "That doesn't make any sense at all, so I guess it's a bona fide AInc strategy." :P

So true... (and ridiculous at the same time)

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@NutsAboutAmiga

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Anyway Amiga Inc do not produce hardware can’t respond on when the hw is ready,

But considering it is 100% critical to OS4 it is in their interests to respond - in any way at all would be nice.

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@ssolie

I understand what you are saying but some form of response to customers letting them know what they are doing with trying to get OS4 to market would look good.

The current radio silence doesn't look that good from a customer point of view.

I mean - sure I don't have a multi million dollar investment for them I'm 'just' a customer. It is still important they respond in kind to any sensible questions.

@Jeffshepherd

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Amiga Inc don't make hardware so of course they won't answer.

Not answering at all can be considered ignorance - not very intelligent when directed to customers.

Also hardware is 100% critical to the future of the OS so I would expect some recognition as to what is going on.

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What's ridiculous is that hardware is available, today, in quantity.
If OS4 was running on the Pegasos, anyone could buy his machine *right now*.
Instead of looking at screenshots of boards, seeing demos being canceled,...

When they announced OS4 wouldn't be released at christmas 2005 because of the lack of hardware, I said that there was already hardware: the Pegasos. I have been told that a port of OS4 to the Pegasos could take up to 6 months. Well, we're approaching this date, and hardware as yet to be seen...

But, well, maybe bPlan is "evil", just like x86 is "bad"...

Leo.

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@Leo

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I have been told that a port of OS4 to the Pegasos could take up to 6 months.

Above, Rogue stated that it would take between 2 and 3 months.

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@-Sam-

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Also hardware is 100% critical to the future of the OS so I would expect some recognition as to what is going on.

I don't expect any answer or recognition coming from AInc.
If they had cared one bit about AmigaOS, they would never have placed it where it is today by allowing an irrelevant hardware shop to set the AmigaOS distribution terms. Even when keeping in mind that it's the infamous AInc we're speaking of, I find it hard to believe that they would really have thought that they and Hyperion could make more money from AOS this way, rather than allowing AOS to be sold for better, cheaper and more popular hardware on an open market. As I see it, AInc washed their hands from AmigaOS back then. They seem to have figured that the Gambling Machine Simulator Running On Top Of An Extra Layer On PocketPC market would be booming, and AmigaOS was a mere annoyance.

Even if they actually once had believed in the current AOS distribution strategy, and cared about AOS, surely they would have cancelled the compulsory hardware licensing/bundling/dongling scheme and made a new contract involving only Hyperion when they saw with their own eyes that what so many predicted came true: Total and massive failure.

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@Leo

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Leo wrote: What's ridiculous is that hardware is available, today, in quantity.

Exactly! I've said before that I think the term "lack of hardware" is misleading. There's no lack of hardware*, just a lack of common sense.

*(OK, PPC desktop hardware isn't exactly plentiful compared to x86, but that's just one more reason not to deliberately limit the choice of hardware and hardware vendors even further!)

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@Seehund

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Total and massive failure.

Without doubt that is what AmigaAnywhere is. It still doesn't have to be that way with OS4. Got to do something soon though as Vista is out in January.

OS4 will need to be OS4.1 before long.

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There's no lack of hardware*, just a lack of common sense.

Seems so...

Leo.

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@-Sam-

I personally dont see microsofts new offerings being detrimental to Os4. Quite the opposite in fact.

More and more people are getting pee'ed off with restrictive hidden coding and are looking for alternatives.

Whether the Amiga solution will ever be available cheap enough to be attrictive to them is another matter.

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@polka.

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No, it doesn't support the Mediator. Rogue recently stated that there is not even a Mediator-driver in the CVS yet. And that after 6 years of OS4-development! *sigh*

Argh, oh well, looks like I'll never get to see OS4 on my machine, which means I'll probably never buy an A1 or OS4....

Could be worse though, could have done an iFusion, pre-paid and got ripped off !!!.

I'll break it to my classic Amiga gently Shame my Blizzard GFX card went dodgy, might have had a chance then.

@The_Editor

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I personally dont see microsofts new offerings being detrimental to Os4.

Comparrisons will inevitably be made. People will base a lot of opinion on looks alone. Vista looks really quite good. It makes OS4 look that little bit more dated.

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Quite the opposite in fact.

Unfortunately we may never be able to prove that from an Amiga perspective as there is nothing for them to buy.

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@Rogue

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Not my fault, really.

No one said it was.

@Leo

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What's ridiculous is that hardware is available, today, in quantity. If OS4 was running on the Pegasos, anyone could buy his machine *right now*. Instead of looking at screenshots of boards, seeing demos being canceled,...

Well if some of community members did not throw stones at Adam then maybe we have hardware a lot quicker…
When reading Amiga forums I always get impression that are to many sides playing etch other up the wall, it’s impossible rebuild a platform whit all this bickering.

I remember a comment from an insensitive person over at AROS-EXEC telling every one how he loved making AmigaOS4.0 fan buys go crazy over at ANN.LU, I stopped going to ANN.LU, I hope folks like Adam / ACK do not stop going to Amigaworld due some insensitive trolls, I most say Moderators have done poor job in filtering out bad apples, and some times they confuse members like Heligs for trolls…

I read my chare of software developers devoting there time else where due a few trolls that have no Interest in this Amiga community.

I think maybe forums should only allow members whit real postal addresses, or maybe only allowing members that confirms there identity whit sms messages
(connect the user to real phone number or real postal address)

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@NutsAboutAmiga

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Well if some of community members did not throw stones at Adam then maybe we have hardware a lot quicker…

I guess the scapegoats have been clearly identified now. If no hardware will appear, this is not due to Adam, but due to pessimists and people with doubts.

The way how Adam reacted ("final straw") was due a personal insult from a _single_ community member. Don't twist it.

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@Leo
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When they announced OS4 wouldn't be released at christmas 2005 because of the lack of hardware, I said that there was already hardware: the Pegasos. I have been told that a port of OS4 to the Pegasos could take up to 6 months. Well, we're approaching this date, and hardware as yet to be seen...

2 months or so was the length given, assuming full documentation.

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What's ridiculous is that hardware is available, today, in quantity. If OS4 was running on the Pegasos, anyone could buy his machine *right now*. Instead of looking at screenshots of boards, seeing demos being canceled,...

PPC Mac Minis are still available AFAIK, as well as G5 PowerMacs. Either of those would be preferable to me. How 'silly' to keep beating the Pegasos drum, when there is still 'perfectly good' Mac hardware. AFAIK, Peg 2s are no longer being made, either, so what was your point here anyways?

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But, well, maybe bPlan is "evil", just like x86 is "bad"...

Ask AInc for a license, with $ and plan in hand. It remains their call to license or not, and anything else is simply pointless (porting time, if Hyperion or my grandma likes Genesi or bbrv or not, etc).

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