@ironfist

And let me guess, you never worked for Genesi.. because they just thought you were a troll

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@Seer

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but I do think if one makes a webpage stating somebody owes you a lot of money I feel you should sue that person (and drop the webpage) and not just talk about it.

Most (if not all) people listed on said page were hired/contracted/whatever by Thendic France. Thendic France is no more, it went down with its parent company Pretory SA in 2003. Some of the people listed on the webpage might have been hired/contracted by Genesi Luxembourg, others might argue that Genesi Luxembourg distributed or used their work after Thendic France went down - but Genesi Luxembourg is no more. There's also Thendic Deutschland (closed down in late 2001 IIRC) and Genesi Switzerland (executive officer: David Gerber himself).

I'm not saying these people *are* actually owed money - I don't know about that. But under these cirumstances, suggesting they should "shut up and sue instead" is a rather useless advice - all they could sue are letterboxes nobody empties anymore or company corpses ;)

@nzv58l

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I understand what you are saying, but I just can't understand why it seems like every time Amiga is on the verge of a milestone, then all of a sudden we see a BBRV post? Do you really think it is just coinsidence or is it done with more malicious intentions?

The thing is, Amiga is always on the verge of something it seems, but nothing ever came out of it these past years, then you have someone who actually accomplishes something, and he's to blame?
There's something so very wrong with this kind of thinking...

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@Thread

This thread is embarrasing and lives up to all the AW-Nutter-Amiga-Inc Fanboy stereotypes beloved of Blue trolls on Moobunny.

I thought this site had moved on somewhat but I see the fanatics are coming back out of the woodwork.

It's interesting how certain people treat the CEO of the only hardware company making systems that are AmigaOS compatible - some people will only be happy when the Amiga is just a memory and the community is nothing but tumbleweed. Soundsa bit like the entrenched bigotry of factions in the Middle East. Now where did I hear that analogy?

@cgutjahr

If the company I work for today, for whatever reasons, goes bey bey and therefor I won't get paid for the last (few) months I worked for that company, there's no reason to set up a public website stating my former boss owns me money.

If the owner of that defunct company starts a new one, there's still no reason. No reason to sue him and no reason to make him look bad in public.

No matter what one might think of BBRV and no matter how one interprets past history events relating to his old businesses and the way they went under there's still no reason for that webpage then.

IMHO off course.

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From http://www.morphos.net/

Since july 2003, Genesi started to not pay their bills.

So that's either a typo or the misbelief that Genesi is the same as Thendic or they really mean Genesi.

IIRC some of the ones under "By popular request" never asked to be put up there.

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Wow it got hot in here..
Amiga can't be dead with all these feelings shown here.

But please people keep down the personal stuff. It doesn't belong to a forum.
If you have any personal things to say, say it via PMs.

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@Colin_Camper

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It's interesting how certain people treat the CEO of the only hardware company making systems that are AmigaOS compatible - some people will only be happy when the Amiga is just a memory and the community is nothing but tumbleweed. Soundsa bit like the entrenched bigotry of factions in the Middle East. Now

Couldn't agree more...

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@pixie

But BBRV is not acting in any official way here. Just the same as the Friedens
don't represent Hyperion when they post here either.

So any post to BBRV is to them personally and should not be confused as a post
towards Genesi. There are other ways of communication with BBRV through
more serious channels (email or phone).

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"And let me guess, you never worked for Genesi.."

Correct. I've never been employed by Genesi. However, they have always paid
what they promised, on time, every time. This was the sponsorship of me and
Lisardman's attendance on an OpenSolaris meeting in Stockholm last fall.
1200 km car travel (with Swedish fuel prices..) + 2 hotel rooms were paid.

They have also sponsored PUSH. I never had any problems with money from
them. When they promise me something, I never doubt them. I have only good
experiences with Bill and Raquel.

@Colin_Camper

I'm not ok with personal attacks towards anyone but.. How should he be treated?
He comes here as a person, not representing his company. IMO he should be
treated as he behaves. As anyone should.
Btw have you noticed how other persons from Hyperion, Troika and ACK have been
treated sometimes?

If he represents Genesi officially on these forums then Genesi is truly a joke in the
business world. You don't see Bill Gates on Windows forums or IBM CEO on PPC
forums and alike.. It's simply not professional.

But it's nice that they can take time to talk to customers now and then.

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@Samwel
It's all these negativity toward the man rather his words... as for being official or not, it represents at least a will, but some are still hoping to take the world by storm, instantaneously, so they don't need to cooperate, they already have the world, sadly, it happens only in their heads...

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@Seer

I only tried to explain that "they should sue" is an invalid suggestion, given the circumstances. I'm not defending the act of setting up the website (actually, I don't care about that website).

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From http://www.morphos.net/ Since july 2003, Genesi started to not pay their bills.

He's certainly not referring to Genesi USA (the only Genesi still somewhat active these days). He's either referring to Genesi Luxembourg or simply using the more famous name (that most people would enter in google's searchbox) to inflict maximum damage.

@cgutjahr

Let me rephrase that part you quoted then a little.

The either should sue if they can, and if they can't for whatever reason let it be. (And take down that site, not because it "hurts" BBRV but everybody involved)

But enough, as I think we kinda agree anyway. Not to mention those on that page that don't want to be there might not like the discusion.

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@DoodooHead

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DoodooHead wrote: @tomazkid Quote: We treat them the same as anyone else, in that some leeway is given if they are seen to be providing helpfull (or not) information rather than blatant selling of products, which seemed to be the case here. I refer you to post number 68. Where BBRV informs us that "EFIKA for Sale!" with a link to a web shop, and the fact that "MorphOS and GNU/Linux run just fine, thank you." This seems to me to be like a Dell employee posting here telling us that a "Dell Dimension B110 is for sale" with a link to their web shop and maybe saying that "Windows XP and Linux run just fine, thank you." This is blatant advertisement. It offers no helpful information. BBRV are attempting to peddle their wares here at Amigaworld.net in volation of the TOS.

It seems you missed that he was replying to someone, who asked why those are not available.

@bbrv

Personally, I'm looking forward to the Amiga platform and its respective market to get the much needed kick in the butt from those who have a grand vision for its future. It's current state is nearly hopeless it seems?

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@Samwel

Btw have you noticed how other persons from Hyperion, Troika and ACK have been
treated sometimes?

I don't condone personal attacks on anyone. This we agree on.

If he represents Genesi officially on these forums

I think everyone knows that bbrv are key Genesi personnel! They don't seem to claim to speak for Genesi on forums but evangelise and link to official announcements. You might not like their style but at least they engage with the community.

Amiga Inc seem to have learned the value of this, as well, today - it's a shame they 'did a runner' and it's interesting that they decide to return via Amiga.org and not this site. It makes you wonder if the people behind this site didn't fall out with Amiga Inc around the time of the KMOS business. Strange because this site is most closely associated with Amiga Inc out of any in the community.

@Colin_Camper

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Amiga Inc seem to have learned the value of this, as well, today - it's a shame they 'did a runner' and it's interesting that they decide to return via Amiga.org and not this site

Simply because it was Wayne from amiga.org that emailed Bill.

@Colin_Camper

Well I really don't feel either way regarding Genesi or BBRV.
I'm just for OS4 that's all. My point was rather a general one.
Treat others as you wanna be treated youself.

I actually think it's nice that they engage with the community.
But sometimes it's not enough, it's also how you engage with us.

I still think it's unprofessional for a CEO to engage directly with customers.
If BBRV was Genesi's PR manager or something alike I could think it was
okey.

Yes, I fully agree with you regarding Amiga Inc. and their silence.
Btw have anyone else asked them for 20 questions and been denied?
Does this mean they will answer peoples requests for licences? Negative
answer or not.
I don't think this will change their stance that much really.

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But maybe I misunderstand that phrase. What do I know? I was under the impression, "many" != "all"

I think you are misunderstanding what his sentence said. If he said "we pay many of our developers," that implies some are not paid. But if he says "we pay many developers," it simply means they have many developers and they pay them. There is no reason -- based on the specific wording -- to infer that some developers aren't paid. That little word "of" makes all the difference here.

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