Bah!

All the people that are moaning and shouting at ikir

I would really like to know how many people, when the hardware really comes out, are prepared to buy it...

I bet there will still be THOSE who say: "Uh! it costs too much" or "Uh! my Apple/PC runs a lot faster!" or "Uh! it's a low spec solution"

If I were one of those developers I would NOT allow those negative people to buy it anyway... Edited-HWGA: Name calling removed. End Edit.

At least some are trying...what are you doing instead? Either criticize Hyperion or the people who try to make some hardware, we all know how often we have been promised new hardware and it has never materialized so what?

NO ONE OWES YOU ANYTHING! (apart from maybe a few t-shirt or coupons)

If you think you can do it better then go to the bank take £50,000 and start developing!

Enough is enough!

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@TheDaddy
Well several months ago, i get fed up and spend the money of the supposedly Ack board on an ipod. Now i have again money, but if there is no hw to buy what should i do, saving for the rest of my life?. The fact that was announced for 2, and then changed for 23 i think that this will be another vapor. Sad, very sad.

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@_ThEcRoW

no, no it isn't vapor, it is a real product, i not know if it will be high or low end motherboard, i think it will be a low end but if the price and the quality are good, you could buy it ! With this mobo you can run AOS4, it's a nice thing.

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@_ThEcRoW

It was never announced for the 2nd of september. It was announced for Pianeta Amiga and Pianeta Amiga is on 23-24 of september. The date of the show is around that date since years (except one year when it was done in december in Rome).

The 2 was a typo on Amiga Inc. website.

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@TheDaddy

I think those three points are a given. Anything shown at Pianeta will be a low-spec solution (anything less than 1GHz is slow by todays standards), and my PC (an AMD64) will run rings about it. Heck, an old candy iMac would run rings around it. Since it will be part of a low unit count production run, it will cost a lot more than a comparable x86 board, so yes, it will cost too much. Anyone contesting these points has his head in the clouds.

However, you need to ask yourself this: despite all that, is it still worth buying? To me, an amiga is a hobbyist machine, plain and simple; its only objective is to amuse me. I will use it to write software on something nicer than Windows, and to run programs written by like-minded people who code for the fun of it, and are not driven by pure profit or weird pseudo-political ideals. What I want from an amiga is a fun computing experience, with a price I can justify to myself. So if these boards run OS4 fast enough that I don't notice the redraw, and have the necessary hardware (ethernet, USB, etc), I don't care if they're only 601/603 equivalents running at 400MHz. Similarly, if the price is around the same that I would spend on other toys (eg I recently bought myself a gp2x for $200 and didn't think anything of it), I don't care if I could buy an AMD64 motherboard+CPU for half the price.

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@TheDaddy

You are right. Enough is enough. And that's enough name calling. I suggest that you think before you type as you include me in that name you called.

Some of us have done plenty over the years. Why would you assume that people who disagreed with this clue idea "haven't done anything". It's nothing against Ikir, and I think he knows that.

BTW, anyone wanting to sell hardware in this tiny market cannot be so selective as to who they sell to, just the same as we have no choice (YET) as to what hardware to buy. That will change.

I think that reaction to this should have been predictable if you just look a month or so back when Troika tried the same thing (cropped pics of motherboard and audio jacks), and got pelted for it. Remember? The responses only reflect how tired and jaded the community has become. That will only change when there is something solid to show and concrete information about it's specs and availablility. Thankfully, that day seems to be getting close.

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jahc wrote: @hatschi I find that level of sarcasm quite rude.

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@Herewegoagain

Sorry about that, but you see my point and I agree with you on some instances, the fact remains that even IF the hardware doesn't turn up EVER, I see no harm done, I understand fully what takes to make a dream and in this case a product into production, costs are very high and I believe 90% of failed project were/are not vapour, unlike many others ready to attack people.

Companies go down because of high costs it's not always a piece of vapour, I think it's just too much excitement and not enough practical sense. Who in their sane minds would invest in Amiga nowdays?

Has anyone seen big names saying "yeah why not, let me pour half a million dollars in it?

So what do we actually expect from a tiny, little, minuscule group of developers or companies (Troika, Elbox etc...) miracles? I don't think so.

Anything and I say anything, even another 4way buffered interface, that comes our way from these little companies deserves respect, because, you know better than me, it's a massive obstacle developing for Amiga.

To finish it off, even if all these projects are vapour, I will not mind, I will not shout:"Kill'em!", I will still be hoping and dreaming. The day will come eventually...

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@CodeSmith

Good points. If the new system is not geared very strongly then there is the possibility of entering a more hobbyist 'retro geek gadget' market.

I believe that cost will still be an issue and cheaper and upgradeable would be better than expensive and more powerful - at least to begin with.

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TheDaddy wrote: Bah! All the people that are moaning and shouting at ikir I would really like to know how many people, when the hardware really comes out, are prepared to buy it... I bet there will still be THOSE who say: "Uh! it costs too much" or "Uh! my Apple/PC runs a lot faster!" or "Uh! it's a low spec solution" If I were one of those developers I would NOT allow those negative people to buy it anyway... Edited-HWGA: Name calling removed. End Edit. At least some are trying...what are you doing instead? Either criticize Hyperion or the people who try to make some hardware, we all know how often we have been promised new hardware and it has never materialized so what? NO ONE OWES YOU ANYTHING! (apart from maybe a few t-shirt or coupons) If you think you can do it better then go to the bank take £50,000 and start developing! Enough is enough!

AMEN! :)

I'm new here on Amigaworld, but I've been following the news, events, development and discussions for quite some time now, because I was impressed with the community-spirit and the promising development of OS4, but the last months here seemed to be all about complaining and whining. ( "Why don´t we have hardware? We need hardware! Oh wouldn´t it be nice if OS4 ran on [insert ANY electronic device]? We should mail [insert any rich guy or computer company] if they could help us get hardware! Why isn´t Hyperion doing something? Why isn´t Amiga Inc. doing something? Look another annoucement! Look, an annoucement about an announcement!" ;) )

But it looks like things are REALLY getting better and I hope that Big Bash and AmiWest will bring back some optimism into this great community.

It can´t rain all the time. :)

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but the last months here seemed to be all about complaining and whining. ( "Why don´t we have hardware?

where have you been the last few years?

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@tomazkid

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where have you been the last few years?

For a while there it was going well. I liked it when each time someone got OS4 to boot up on their A1 for the first time they would post here with the dancing bananas. You could watch the number of users growing. It hasn't all been doom and gloom. I hope we can get back to slowly increasing the number of users of OS4 again.

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@DoodooHead

You're right, not only gloom and doom.
Back in June 2004 when people started to receive the OS4 pre-release cd's, things were looking very good and there was indeed a lot of

Hopefully October will be full of and

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@_ThEcRoW

Cuenta con ello.

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@doodoohead

Yeah, but that was two years ago. It's been a long two years.

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