@COBRA

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That would still be considerably more with OS4, RAM, Gfxcard and VAT included. But it's a discontinued product (no longer manufactured AFAIK) so it's no wonder you can pick up the remaining stock very cheap now.

ram and gfx card only would add 70-90¤ depending on the amount of ram you included.

When it was released *new* some years ago it costed 500Euros. Don't you think a product released various years later should have better specs or price?

A 1Ghz G4 nowadays is old and slow... a G5 would make much more sense...

The G4 cpu is overpriced now. I would vote for a cheap 970FX (these cpus cost less than half the price of a quick G4) and/or a PSX3 port.

I don't want overpriced slow hardware.

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One vote for MPC8641

@FithisUX

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One vote for MPC8641

That would be the more sensible choice now. A G4 core without the disadvantages of a G4 (so it has a quick 666Mhz memory bus), a lot of I/O out of the box... but please don't put as standard ram and gfx card soldered in the motherboard, that only rises price up.

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@Crumb

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ram and gfx card only would add 70-90¤ depending on the amount of ram you included.

You keep forgeting the cost of OS4 itself, which is around 120 EUR :)

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A 1Ghz G4 nowadays is old and slow... a G5 would make much more sense...

We need high end I agree, but there is no way you can make a G5-based system, including OS4, RAM, gfxcard, etc. out of 500 EUR and a lot of people can't afford and just don't need the high-end boards. Looking at the current poll results it's quite clear that there is need for both low-end and high-end solutions.

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@Crumb

I also would like to see MPC8641-based hardware, although I don't know the cost of the MPC8641, perhaps they'll not cheaper than the 7448? They have a PCI-Express bus, which means you could make a board with PCI-Express slots allowing us to use the latest gfxcards which would be nice.

@COBRA
I voted for everything of course. Build it with OS4 and I'll buy it.

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Panda once the board is laid out properly.

It would help greatly if you guys would be more specific about that. What does 'properly' mean to you? Which form factor do you want? Email Troika (admin@troikang.com) and let them know.

I know the current form factor is unsuitable since I happen to have one so no need to point that out.

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@ssolie

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I voted for everything of course.

At least you could have left the "None of the above"-option unticked.

none, i'd prefer OS4 to be ported on X86 or MacPPC to be able to use decent hardware. Tired of playing with badly designed toys. Unless OS4 could be ported on the Pegasos2, i love this hardware, it's out to date but solid.

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@SoundSquare

Right on.

I'm not wasting $500-$600 USD on something that doesn't even have the horsepower for DVD playback, and I'm not blowing close to $1200 USD on a tepid system that's up to 2003 specs in terms of everything else.

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@COBRA

Any thing in the 1000 Mhz or more range whit USB2.0, I think I’m going to sell my AmigaOne-XE if when I upgrade to expand the market.

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@COBRA

I voted for Samantha... mainly because it seems the least vaporous of the lot. I kinda like the "geekishness" of it- the FPGA and all the ports. Although if I had my way, Carl's theoretical X86 machine that ran OS4 and emulated the old stuff perfectly would be my choice...

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Although I would prefer something like a G4@1.4+GHz, I voted for PPC440 @ 800 - 1000 Mhz because I find the currently proposed high-end alternatives too expensive to invest in at this stage, when the future of OS4 is uncertain and we don't have software yet which requires such power. So I would happily settle for something like a 1GHz Samantha until the high-performance SoC hardware solutions arrive, which should be considerably cheaper than the currently proposed G4 systems. It would be more than enough for my everyday needs (email, web-browsing, IRC/MSN, viewing/editing images, playing music/videos, writing CDs/DVDs, programming, playing games, etc.)

@COBRA
I dunno. I'm unsure the prices you listed in the poll are correct, or that we'll see any of these systems in a reasonable amount of time, running OS4.

It also seems somewhat biased here, as Amy'05 was claimed at 300-400USD, not the 450-550 Euros you listed. I _might_ buy a Sam 800-1GHz at 550 Euros, including OS4, but unlikely at any higher $.

No one has given any price ranges on Panda, annoyingly enough, but I wouldn't pay 750-850 Euros ($950USD-$1080USD) for just the board.

Adam/ACK has had his last chance from my perspective. He'd said there would be CPUs at the show (AmiWest), and had someone waiting for them, then disappeared without a phone call, email, etc. That, on top of never seeing proof a single project is even _started_, plus an amazing seeming capacity to entirely change products mid-stride (now PV LT will be for classics, WTF?), I've given up on ever seeing a single product from ACK.

I'd might go for the lowest solution listed, if they ran OS4, or was a cheaper version of Sam.

Decisions, decisions...sadly, none of the options are very good choices for the $.

I think my most likely, assuming all the above came to fruition, would be the Amy'05 ('07? maybe?) or Panda. But those also depend on Troika producing, including the license issue they seem to not ever want to discuss nor have, but I'll keep an open mind in the event something else becomes able to be purchased.

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@wegster

The poll is more about finding out what class of hardware people would prefer, intended as a guide for hardware developers, the actual hardware projects I named are just examples of proposed systems, it doesn't matter if they'll actually be released or not.

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It also seems somewhat biased here, as Amy'05 was claimed at 300-400USD, not the 450-550 Euros you listed.

But add OS4 to the price and a decent gfxcard (the Amy'05 won't have onboard gfx) and you're in the 450-550 EUR range). I did make careful calculations to determine a realistic price range for each class of hardware, but it's possible that I made some mistakes, but I think I'm pretty close with the price ranges. Unfortunately I could find no estimated pricing for the Panda anywhere, neither could I find how fast G4 they plan to use, there are no specifications available yet, so it's a bit early to think about that board I think.

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@COBRA

There are Pandas in people's hands currently. It has a 1.2GHz G4 CPU, and I believe comes with a video card as well.

Yep, no clue on pricing.

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Man those are some hight prices dont you think? If Genesi is able to sell the Pegasos 2 at 1+ GHZ for $500 for a complete system minus keyboard, mouse and monitor then I cant see why these would be so high for just a board and CPU?

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@Acill_MOS

Listed price ranges include RAM, gfx card, OS4.

@COBRA

Allready have ann A1-XE-G4, miss a laptop or indeed anything portable.

Not going for any of these boards at those prices I think...

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An OS4 laptop based on MPC8641, mmmmmm