@Bodie_CI5

How about NetBSD?

@elatour

Yeah, it's funny/sad to see the opposition arguing against ports to PS3s, PEGs, Macs, QEMU, x86, EFIKA, etc... because "new hardware is around the corner" or "in two months we'll have our wonderful powervixen/ami05 (this name is funny, isn't it?)/Sam/Shark/whatever instead of that evil obsolete discontinued Pegasos2" but they won't be able to buy an OS4 machine running OS4 in at least one year...


Anyone with the skills to make AROS-PPC run 68k binaries? Maybe it's the only way to stop depending on the arbitrary decissions of Amiga Inc (and partners).

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IMHO you broke those 3.

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@Crumb

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Crumb wrote: @elatour Anyone with the skills to make AROS-PPC run 68k binaries? Maybe it's the only way to stop depending on the arbitrary decissions of Amiga Inc (and partners).

if AROS does start to gain traction, at what point will Amiga Inc step in and have a closer look at the code? (a la ReactOS) There must be something there that legally might stop AROS in its tracks, considering Amiga OS is still being sold.

@FithisUX

Or better, WinXP, to play WoW from my A1200

@Crumb

A port to the Peg2 would be manna from heaven. I've got the system ready and waiting for it! An end analysis, however, would stipulate that the so-called "opposition" (did you have to use such wording? :-/ ) have no influence whatsoever on any final decision-making. Many of us have supported the PV since the idea came out, AInc, it seems, doesn't give a flying h00t for any of our opinions.

Change the same word, so your post makes a bit more sense - Seer

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@PulsatingQuasar

I see what you mean - the Amiga element is really an irrelevance compared to the simple fact of being a new startup. There aint much choice in that, though. As Tomas said, you can't rely on outside parties to swoop in and fill the gap as we're totally off their radar *unless* they have a product which will require no modification or additional effort in order to sell to us - which would certainly necessitate AI ditching the whole "mobo as a HW dongle" business an accept a position as the underdog in this.

It's a criminal state of affairs that we have one company that seems to be making a business out of HW that is perfect for Amiga but are also the one company AI wont do business with.

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Seems you can remove the PowerVixxen TL from the list. From what I heard Amiga Inc treated ACK with the silent treatment after the initial contact. Adam got tired of this and seems to have dropped OS4 support completely.

I'm sorry that I have to say this, but we are many who has been trying to tell you this for years, that it's not possible to get OS4 licenses from Amiga Inc.

Slowly the sad reality starts to sink in ...

@amigakit

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I think many people underestimate how costly it is to build complex hardware - not just the cost of components and manufacturing but the added cost of regional regulations, such as the EU's RoHS directive. There are many posts calling for cheap OS4 hardware but any product put out to market needs to be warranted and supported once consumers have it. Many announcements of hardware have been made but to actually get the simplest specialist Amiga products to retail requires a lot of capital investment. Maybe the solution to this is for efforts to be combined.

Very true!

That's why I think Colin_Camper's words were so well put:

"the only people we can count on while we are waiting for this to happen are the proven hardware developers like Genesi, Elbox and Individual Computers."

These have proven ability, proven quality, and proven customer support and warranty ...

@PulsatingQuasar

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There are 2 pieces of hardware that could become available in the above time frame. That is the Samantha or the Panda. My money is on the Samantha because of several reasons I'm not going in to.

My best guess would be the Efika and the OSW. Maybe even the 8641D developer board. And the Pegasos is already here.

Note that *none* of the boards that both you and me mentioned has an OS4 license ...

@ferrels

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Now I feel justified in my decision to not wait any longer and buy a Peg II system. I hope that someday I can run MorphOS and AmigaOS4 side-by-side on this system but until that day, I'll be satisifed to run Amiga applications under MorphOS and use my classic A1200 for older Amiga apps that use the custom chips or just use UAE on the Peg box.

Nothing wrong with owning hardware that exist, and using an OS that can run your Amiga applications. You will find that the Pegasos is excellent hardware and that MorphOS is an excellent OS. From a user's perspective there is no fundamental difference between MorphOS and OS4, and you will find yourself feeling right at home. Then when/if OS4 becomes available for anything, it will always remain an option to switch or buy that as well and have both!

@takemehomegrandma

Please don't get me wrong, but why don't you pay for a banner ad?
Your spamming is boring!

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@Mason

You are right, let's continue to "spam" endlessly about those basement hobby projects that will *never see the light of day*, let's continue to live in denial, and let's continue to ignore *the options that are already here*; the options that are *proven*, *working* and *well supported*. Good idea!

@takemehomegrandma

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You will find that the Pegasos is excellent hardware and that MorphOS is an excellent OS.

@Bodie_CI5

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A port to the Peg2 would be manna from heaven.

Although I agree it could be interesting, I think that not many users would jump to AROS unless it ran 68k or MOS binaries... so IMHO compatibility with MOS/68k is a priority on top of running native. Keep in mind that without apps an OS doesn't have much use.

There's a hosted version made by Frostwork some time ago. It's a Linux with AROS-hosted running on top of it. Markus has improved a lot the building process and now AROS-PPC is building automatically in his Pegasos2.

IMHO, until a 68k emu or MOS wrapper appears it won't attract many users.

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@takemehomegrandma

Your suggested option is *not* an option iho until AmigaOS4 is planed to run on it.
Are there any effords to bring AmigaOS4 to the Pegasos platform?

No? No! So why should it be a better alternative than Apple or x86?

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@Mason

From what it seems, neither is anything else at the moment.

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@Bodie_CI5

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An end analysis, however, would stipulate that the so-called "opposition" (did you have to use such wording? :-/ )

Everyone's the opposition to a greater or to a lesser extent, and it's nothing to be ashamed of!

And I'll be so nice to chance it for you as well - Seer

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if AROS does start to gain traction, at what point will Amiga Inc step in and have a closer look at the code? (a la ReactOS) There must be something there that legally might stop AROS in its tracks, considering Amiga OS is still being sold.

I doubt that.
AROS was developed from scratch. And didnt use AOS sources.
I think at some point they tried to legally stop MorphOS, but not with much success...

Maybe AROS Team should take a closer look on OS 3.5/3.9 + (OS4.0 ?) sources and point out wich NEW things where copied from AROS sources ?

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Your suggested option is *not* an option iho until AmigaOS4 is planed to run on it.

Apparently, AmigaOS4 is not planned to run on Troika's boards either, at least not from the stance of Amiga Inc., since according to McEwen, they don't consider them for a deal regarding licensing.
My point is that it simply does not matter wether somebody "plans to run OS4 on device X", when they get ignored by Amiga Inc. . Hey, I also "plan" to run OS4 on my x86-box, can we include it as an option now?

Somewhat unrelated, but I just digged out an interesting post from Adam regarding the licensing of the Powervixxen LT (note that licensing for the TL might be another case and not within Hyperion's domain).

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"It is completely Hyperion's domain regarding licension OS4 for expansion boards for the classics. I have been in discussion with Hyperion in the past regarding bundling OS4 with the PowerVixxen LT. There are zero issues whatsoever. In all honesty, there would be more issues if the PowerVixxen wasn't shipped with OS4. I have been very clear from the beginning that the PowerVixxen LT will not be sold without OS4 as it really wouldn't serve any purpose strictly as a Linux machine."

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@hatschi
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Apparently, AmigaOS4 is not planned to run on Troika's boards either...

Let's be crystal clear on something. Hyperion have a Panda board and are porting OS4 as we type. I announced this at AmiWest and it is happening. So yes, OS4 is going to run on at least the Panda board in whatever time it takes for the port to complete.

Now whether Amiga Inc. and Hyperion can cooperate and enable Troika sell the Panda board with OS4 installed to end customers is something else entirely. This is the same situation with ACK's boards and the various SAM boards and whatever else is going on behind the scenes. We can imagine one company has some advantage over another because some manager guy spoke about them but since when do we believe anything coming out of Amiga Inc. anyway?

For me, nobody has any advantage and nobody is going anywhere until Hyperion and Amiga Inc. figure out what the heck to do with AmigaOS 4.0 in the longer term. It has been a while since we witnessed the little exchange between Amiga Inc. and Hyperion here on AW.net so let's hope they have been able to reach some sort of consensus by now and are just working out the details. Or you can imagine the sky has fallen like some have chosen to do. You can also point and laugh and say "I told you so!" but then that would be extremely childish and would only increase hostilities in our community even further and push all of us further apart.

@all
I know for a fact the OS4 team is working hard for a release by the end of the year as Hyperion already stated. So what do you think? Is my OS4 testing effort totally futile? Should I stop right now and drop out of the OS4 beta team, flush the Panda board I have and sell all my A1 hardware right now? I mean, it is clear it is the end right?

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This thread has gone totally off topic for too long. People, this is about the ACK PV, if you want to discuss any other hardware platforms, running or not running OS4, please start another thread.

Any further off topic discussions will get rewarded with a day off, to enjoy the afternoon, go out, get boozed up, etc.

Edit: Funny typo, reworded instead of rewarded...

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