@Leo

If they will not sell "moana"+OS4 without licence, it is OK.

@takemehomegrandma

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And while the porting process itself sure has similarities on both motherboards, there are one major thing that may differ after the porting is done - the ability to distribute and run OS4 for the hardware in a *legal* fashion. Acube would need a license (which I think they will not get, given the current state of affairs), but Genesi will handle that problem in a different way.

I am confident that Samantha and other hardware will get an OS4 licence. I am also confident that your hero will continue to spread FUD.

My opinion towards Bill Buck was beginning to change over the past year or so. He managed to reverse it completely with just a few posts. Sad really as I was considering an Efika even without OS4, not now though. Well done BBRV.

It's a shame that Bplan are tied to such a sucky company, maybe if they wern't we'd have had OS4 on Pegasos and Efika by now. Never mind.

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The Owner/s of Genesi, a company which doesn't want to do business with Amiga Inc (we don't know Ainc's side of the story), has proposed an illegal hack in order to get OS4 working on their hardware in order to by-pass negotiations and licences with Amiga Inc and Hyperion.

illegal hack... mmm... how do you f***ing know?
this is the way you see it, not the way it's happening.


edit : calmed it down.

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illegal hack... mmm... how do you f***ing know?

They said they have OS4 running on Pegasos for some while. They say they will offer OS4 on Efika. They say that Ainc won't talk to them. They say they won't pay for a licence. They say that they don't need Hyperion.

I guess I must have read too much into all of that.

@Rob

sorry m8 i calmed down my comment.

but where did u read that ? like OS4 running on pegasos etc, sounds like poor gossip

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sorry m8 i calmed down my comment.

No worries.

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but where did u read that ? like OS4 running on pegasos etc

BBRV's words from the "Bringing up OS4 hardware" and other threads.

edit.

I would dig them out but I'm supposed to be working right now.

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@saimo

I'm sorry but I have to ask - Are you "samface" using a different nick?

Anyway, the Efika, Pegasos 8641, Samanta, and Moana is *very similar* in an OS4 context, and faces the same two obstacles; the OS needs to be ported, and they will need to be able to distribute the OS in a legal manner. Porting, distribution. Two things.

Porting is not an issue here really, not for any of the above mentioned. But legal distribution is a problem. Acube will never get a license (nor will anyone else) because of the locked-down AmigaInc/Hyperion situation. I think this is becoming more and more obvious to most people here. If AmigaInc manage to take back OS4 away from Hyperion, development will stop. If Hyperion refuses to hand over the OS, they will still not be able to make business based upon it, other than for a stand-alone version for the CSPPC/BPPC. That is no future, and OS4 would stop. Genesi, however, have a different approach of achieving legal distribution of OS4, and if they succeed (which is quite probable if you look at all the things that has happened during and after the last legal process was put on ice), it will also mean a lot more than simple distribution of binaries - it will mean the possibility of continued OS4 development independent of Amiga Inc (I'm sure all OS4 developers are welcome to join in if that happens, be them clones or not (), although the project may not necessarily stand or fall with their presense). IMHO, this is truly something to hope for. IMHO, this will be the only way for OS4 to continue to exist, continue to be developed, and ported to and distributed for all kinds of PPC based hardware.

@Rob

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The Owner/s of Genesi, a company which doesn't want to do business with Amiga Inc (we don't know Ainc's side of the story)

AmigaInc has nothing to sell, since Hyperion hasn't handed over the physical control of OS4.
Hyperion has nothing to sell, since they don't own the necessary immaterial rights to OS4.

So who will sell you a license?

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has proposed an illegal hack in order to get OS4 working on their hardware in order to by-pass negotiations and licences with Amiga Inc and Hyperion.

"Illegal hack", my god, if that isn't FUD then I don't know what is. They have *never* proposed such a thing, they have proposed *legal* development and *legal* distribution. One can only hope they succeed, but in the meantime, please keep to the facts and don't make up things like this!

@takemehomegrandma

@pavlor

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pavlor wrote: @Leo If they will not sell "moana"+OS4 without licence, it is OK.

Exactly!

@Rob

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Rob wrote: @SoundSquare Quote: illegal hack... mmm... how do you f***ing know? They said they have OS4 running on Pegasos for some while. They say they will offer OS4 on Efika. They say that Ainc won't talk to them. They say they won't pay for a licence. They say that they don't need Hyperion. I guess I must have read too much into all of that.

You sure did, because *NOWHERE* did they say that they were going to use "illegal hacks", "piracy" or whatever you try to imply! *NOWHERE*!

@takemehomegrandma

They have proposed what they might claim to be "legal" development and distribution. I have only commented on what I have read. Perhaps my interpretation is different to your. That does not necessarily mean that I have made it up.

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please keep to the facts and don't make up things like this!

Hmmm.

@takemehomegrandma

ACube isn't Genesi. They can obtain the licence.

@Rob

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That does not necessarily mean that I have made it up.

Yes you made it up, since they have never said they would use "illegal hacks" in order to bring OS4 to the Efika.

@pavlor

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ACube isn't Genesi.

I know, but thanks anyway.

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They can obtain the licence.

No.

I'd like you to prove me wrong though.

@takemehomegrandma

Listen to the speech of Bill McEwen at Pianeta Amiga Show

http://www.pianetaamiga.it/PianetaAmiga.mp3

Tell me why they shouldn't get the licence?

@takemehomegrandma

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they have never said they would use "illegal hacks"

They have never worded that way. They use words we take the position that we have an OS4 licence. We don't need Amiga Inc or Hyperion. We will release OS4 for Efika.

If you don't get a licence from Amiga Inc and you don't pay Hyperion to port OS4 to your hardware using official sources, Id like to know what you call that.

@saimo
What's the difference between Samantha & Mona? I've obviously lost track...

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@pavlor

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Tell me why they shouldn't get the licence?

Unfortunately, I could think of several reasons, the most obvious reason being the license requirements laid out by McEwen himself:

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There must be a clear understanding however that we are looking for people and businesses that currently have revenues that can support this business. We request a business plan, budget and current revenue figures that are at least $ 500,000.00 per year in revenue.

@ChrisH

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What's the difference between Samantha & Mona? I've obviously lost track...

Samantha as you probably know is a low-mid range board designed with the embeded market in mind. Maybe we'll see some new Amiga based kiosks in the future.

Little is known about Moana apart from it being a High end desktop design. I don't now if they have any target market for this board outside of the Amiga community.