@takemehomegrandma

If people behave there's no need for moderation. Simple as that!

You can actually write complaints, about bugs and such without being moderated.

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@pikadroo

Please do a complete bug report instead of leaving.
You haven't even given the developers a chance to lookup what the problem could be.

It's really cowardly just to write that nothing works, then complain about the site and
then just leave when others have different opinions (which you state you didn't like).

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@sundown

Read #6's post #30 again. It only makes sense to keep problem threads in 1 place instead of scattered all over, just makes it easier & faster to respond to each case. Yah, I know it's on amigans.net, but they set up a forum for os4 bug reporting & AW didn't.

Hm.. Let's see amigaworld forum and description;

Amiga OS4.x \ Workbench 4.x
A forum for discussions and questions about the Operating System, Drivers, WorkBench, etc.

Amiga OS4 Software
A forum for discussion and questions about specific software programs for AmigaOS4, including Applications and Utilities.

Amigans forum and description

AmigaOS4 (RSS)
AmigaOS4 native software

AmigaOS4 feedback (RSS)
Report AmigaOS 4 bugs and discuss OS features here

So.. Just because we don't have "bugs" in the description you have no place to report bugs ? And it's not like amigans has a forum for bugs only as you can discuss features there as well. IMO both sites offer the same here, a forum.

Wasn't like we didn't ask for one,

You mean the link posted in post 27 here? We felt that a thread or a forum isn't the best medium for bug tracking, posters tend not to put up very describing topics so it would be hard for developers to wade through it, and for others posters hard to search if their particular problem hasn't been discussed. BTW, that's not just people here, that's on most support forums.

We wanted something better then that, easier for both the user and the developers, Wegster was willing to set something up (what happened btw Wegster?).

but AW is not very flexable when it comes to change.

Oh come on. People complained recently how much AW has chanced, and now we're not flexable enough... We recently added;

Developer Projects Forum
The 'official' place for hardware and software developers to post factual information on their projects, ask for betatesters, and for users to report bugs to existing project threads. Developers, post your project info here!

this forum was made because of the above requests and needs for a central place with the difference that we only allow developers to start a thread and users can report any problems in there, that way, the everybody knows where to look for solutions to specific problems.

and before that the site rearranged the forums to suit the posters better.

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You do have 'bugs' in the description field under
AmigaOS4 feedback.

Maybe sundown just wanted to troll some.

@pikadroo

What was the purpose of you opening this topic in the first place? You still seem to be more interested in blaming and complaining, instead of trying to solve your problem. If you could actually provide a detailed bugreport, it would give developers a chance to help solve your problems. Or do you not want it to be solved?

@pikadroo

It's not hard to see why you prefer to leave.
It seems to be more important to teach you some manners, instead
of helping you with your problem.

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@COBRA

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by COBRA on 25-Mar-2007 10:27:58 @pikadroo What was the purpose of you opening this topic in the first place?

I imagine he's pi$$ed off that he's spent a lot of money on something that doesn't work as advertised and wanted to vent his spleen.

It's human nature, and most of us find it quite a cathartic process once in a while.

What sane person can blame him?

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@nicholas

From his original post, I can't see why he was "robbed". FULL 68k compatibility has never been promised by Hyperion, to my knowledge.
And I have to agree with others, in that he would be better off trying to solve the problem (people are always willing to help out) instead of just saying "this is crap, I'm leaving" and then...never leaving, just posting multiple complain posts.

@nicholas

What doesn't work as advertised? From the CNet website the comments for the last release (31-Dec-2006): "I am sad to say that not all the bug fixes made it into this release, but they will soon follow." so CNet doesn't claim that it's bug-free, and OS4 was also not advertised with some AI feature which can automagically find and fix bugs in software instead of the sw developers. If someone reports bugs and gets a reaction "sorry, we can't be bothered with your problem, go away" then he has the right to be upset, but if he doesn't even let the developers know that he has a problem, how can he expect it to be ever fixed? No software is completely bug-free and I get lots of very useful bugreports for DvPlayer too, and I try to fix these as my time allows. But if someone goes out saying "DvPlayer is crap, it doesn't work", that is a bit silly, when if he just sent me some actual report of what his problem is and how to reproduce it, I might be able to fix it in a day and his problems will be solved.

So my message to him is still the same: go and send detailed bugreports to developers, help them fix their software. Feedback from users is very important for developers.

@pikadroo

As Detlef said please post some more info, links to bbs software you are using etc and a detailed description of the problem as i'd like to have a go helping but have no experiance of BBS's or BBS software.

The beta testers / developers who have posted in this thread time permitting may have a go at reproducing your problem.

Many have XE and Classic OS4 machines so it may just be a XE thing.

#6 has pointed out several good sources of info for you.

I'd urge you to reconsider walking away as a detail description of your problem and links to the software you are using, how to install and what you are doing and what is crashing, may result in your problem be solved or at least it can be recorded and tracked in the os4 bug system.

You could try booting with debug kernel and a higher debug level and post info here.

Grab sashimi from os4depot and post its output

Enable 68K stack trace by doing the following

Create a txt file in ENV:& ENVARC: called REAPER.68KStackTrace enter the value 256 into the file and save.

This will give the people following this thread more to go on.


-typo-

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@COBRA

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If someone reports bugs and gets a reaction "sorry, we can't be bothered with your problem, go away" then he has the right to be upset, but if he doesn't even let the developers know that he has a problem, how can he expect it to be ever fixed?

I wish some people here could make their minds up. Only yesterday the mantra was "the community is the best support for OS4".

Give the guy a break, instead of trying to give him deportment classes.

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@Framiga

I think that business card is *fake*!

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@takemehomegrandma

naaaaaa!

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@pikadroo

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Ya know all I wanted was some help,

Maybe you could get a hold of Tesla. You guys seemed to really hit it off well in this problem solving thread:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=13322&forum=2

#6

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@all

Quote:

Developer Projects ForumThe 'official' place for hardware and software developers to post factual information on their projects, ask for betatesters, and for users to report bugs to existing project threads. Developers, post your project info here!

A bit more on this forum, history regarding it's creation, purpose, and comments from members:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3470

@wegster

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s'ok, we fully expect to have to make some 'adjustments' along the way

Yep. Like "promoting it's use"

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@nicholas

The community is an additional source of help, not THE one and only help. I thought this was
clear to everybody???
The OS4 team (some of them anyway) has always been around answering questions and
helping OS4 users in trouble.

What's wrong with telling the guy to give developers a detailed bug report when he clearly
hasn't done so before? He seems to have tried and failed in private.
To try thoroughly yourself before sending a bug report is good but to give up and tell
everybody what crap the OS is for not running emulated software perfect, is not good in my
opinion anyway.
If developers don't answer or say there's nothing they will do about it then ok complaints can
be valid.

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@Samwel

"What's wrong with telling the guy to give developers a detailed bug report when he clearly
hasn't done so before? He seems to have tried and failed in private."

because the reply would be " tell to the 68k developer to fix his app" (close to impossible because maybe the author is no more in the Amiga market and/or doesn't own an OS4 capable hardware)

I'm not discussing about the strict OS4 68k emulation itself (they took a decision and we can't do anything to change it) i'm only saying that "perhaps" the guy already reported it.

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@pikadroo
It's a pity that you've repeatedly ignored all requests for some kind of bug report, because that's the only way your going to get a solution.

I suggest that you take a 2+ day break from AmigaWorld, and forget it all. Afterwards come back, and hopefully both sides can continue the discussion in a civilised manner, without getting upset...

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