@pixie

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pixie wrote: It doesn't yet and I very much doubt it will in the future, what it could have was usb already integrated on the motherboard, eventually using the core from subway.

Don't think it's so easy to emulate subway.
Better to map uhc124 in memory (as Highway acts) note the uhc124 base address and ANAIIS will proper access and control as actually.

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pixie wrote: BTW how much cpu stress does it causes to 68k, in % that is...

No isochronous transfert implies no CPU stress (no usb camera, no usb sound...)
There are Bulk in/out and Interrupt only, each 10ms, so peanuts cpu consumption

@Gilloo

So hows progress going? do we see v2 and mass storage/optical drive support yet?

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So hows progress going?

slowly, very slowly.
I've rewrote all the core and made a look like library interface to be sirion api compatible.
In therory, an external program can interact with usb devices transparently via ANAIIS
see usblist on aminet...

I would also use hcd and usb driver, but it is a little bit complex for me.

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do we see v2 and mass storage/optical drive support yet?

For mass storage it seems to work with a Sandisk 256M key.
For the moment, I don't integrate usbmassstorage into ANAIIS package because it might corrupt data (due to a lack of code to manage correctly the plug/remove mechanism).

0.97 will be available next month (or week, it depends on my free time )
It will include:
- PANDORA, the Sirion like api.
- better log, trace
- localization (to get messages in his own language)

Nice to see that my work got fans

@Gilloo

Sure does have fans, cant wait to see it.
sounds likke cool progress, Keep up the good work!
Pandora sounds really cool!

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Gilloo wrote: ANAIIS, acronym for Another Native Amiga IO Interface Stack, is a quick and dirty software solution that brings the possibilities of the Universal Serial Bus (USB) to the basic Amiga 2000, with 68000 at 7.14Mhz, and the ZorroII card Highway from E3B. Yes you have read it: 68000, not 68020 or higher, with at minimum Kickstart 1.3 or higher. ...

All fine and good - but your claim one wouldn't need more CPU power than the 68000 @ 7.14 mHz offers, is just mere eyewash.

Both - the Highway (sold out) as well as the Subway (available) need at least an 68030 CPU @ 25 mHz.

Highway (sold out):

"Requirements:

Amiga OS 3.1 or higher
Processor 68030 (25MHz) or higher
100% compatible Zorro II / III bus
power supply with 2.0 Ampere minimum on 5V (each used USB port will use a maximum of 500mA, depending on connected device)"


Subway (available):

"Requirements:

Amiga OS 3.1 or higher
Processor 68030 (25MHz) or higher
100% compatible Amiga 1200 clockport (see also tested boards)
power supply with 2.0 Ampere minimum on 5V (each used USB port will use a maximum of 500mA, depending on connected device)
We recommend using a "selfpowered hub" when connecting more bus-powered high current (500mA) devices. Using AC adaptors with USB devices (if possible) is also encouraged. Powering all four USB ports with its maximum load of 500mA can lead to problems on some Amiga 1200 models."

So I'd say there still is NO USB FOR VERY LIMITED AMIGAS...

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@Dandy



And why do you think those specs are listed ?? What would an 68030 do different when it comes to configuring the cards then a 68000 would do ?

Those specs clearly refer to the SW (Poseidon) thats part of the offer.

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Kronos wrote: @Dandy ... Those specs clearly refer to the SW (Poseidon) thats part of the offer.

Ahhhhh - I understand.
So the SOFTWARE is the reason for those requirements:

"
...
100% compatible Zorro II / III bus
power supply with 2.0 Ampere minimum on 5V (each used USB port will use a maximum of 500mA, depending on connected device)

...
100% compatible Amiga 1200 clockport (see also tested boards)
power supply with 2.0 Ampere minimum on 5V (each used USB port will use a maximum of 500mA, depending on connected device)
We recommend using a "selfpowered hub" when connecting more bus-powered high current (500mA) devices. Using AC adaptors with USB devices (if possible) is also encouraged. Powering all four USB ports with its maximum load of 500mA can lead to problems on some Amiga 1200 models."

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@Dandy

Ok, but 68030 @ 25Mhz is required only for Poseidon SOFTWARE!

When you say "there still is NO USB FOR VERY LIMITED AMIGAS..." I have a tiny laugh!
My A2000 has only a poor genuine 68000 @ 7.14MHz and Highway + Subway in the Highway clockport, and both work fine with ANAIIS, one stack for 2 hardware piece at the same time, with KS1.3 and OS3.1.

@all
At this time, with ANAIIS 0.96 (see aminet) you can plug mouse, keyboard, and use one printer with a 68000 and KS1.1 (In other words: all Amigas, instead Poseidon which requires 68030 and KS3.1) ANAIIS is supposed to fill the gap and popose USB FOR ALL AMIGAS, not intented to be the competitor.

Sorry for the delay concerning ANAIIS 0.97, there are a lot of tricky bugs concerning printing (it works only with ONE printer, but with two usb printer interfaces, it comes horrible in time response...)
Massstorage works but is too tricky to be released due to the risk of data loose for non expert user...

With ANAIIS 0.97, a lot of external drivers can be produced, like serial driver (I use Thylacine example...)

@Gilloo

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Gilloo wrote: @Dandy Ok, but 68030 @ 25Mhz is required only for Poseidon SOFTWARE! When you say "there still is NO USB FOR VERY LIMITED AMIGAS..." I have a tiny laugh!

That's what I got from the "Requirements:"-sections of Highway and Subway.
They clearly state that the minimum requirement for both is Amiga OS 3.1 or higher and processor 68030 (25MHz) or higher.

Without your clear statement that both work nevertheless I would certainly not have bought any of them just to try it out and then to see that they don't work because my system is underspecced - I'm not so deep in hardware that I could judge that myself.

I clearly have to rely on the information available on the Highway and Subway pages.

It certainly is not my fault, if those infos are not precise.

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Gilloo wrote: My A2000 has only a poor genuine 68000 @ 7.14MHz and Highway + Subway in the Highway clockport, and both work fine with ANAIIS, one stack for 2 hardware piece at the same time, with KS1.3 and OS3.1.

Good to know!

I was under the impression that Anaiis would work with KS/OS 1.3 and 68000 CPU - but Highway or Subway would not.

So I thought: "Fine - now we have an USB stack "for very limited Amigas" (KS/Amiga OS 1.3 or higher and processor 68000 (7.14 mHz) or higher) - but of what use is it, if there is no hardware available that works in a system with such low speccs???"

Don't get me wrong - I never doubted for a single moment your USB stack would work with those low speccs - but the "Requirements:" of Highway and Subway seemed to say that for the hardware those speccs were NOT sufficiant.

It might be a good idea to explicitely point out that Highway and Subway will work in a "very limited Amiga" - despite their websites suggesting otherwise.

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Gilloo wrote: @all At this time, with ANAIIS 0.96 (see aminet) you can plug mouse, keyboard, and use one printer with a 68000 and KS1.1 (In other words: all Amigas, instead Poseidon which requires 68030 and KS3.1) ANAIIS is supposed to fill the gap and popose USB FOR ALL AMIGAS, not intented to be the competitor. Sorry for the delay concerning ANAIIS 0.97, there are a lot of tricky bugs concerning printing (it works only with ONE printer, but with two usb printer interfaces, it comes horrible in time response...) Massstorage works but is too tricky to be released due to the risk of data loose for non expert user... With ANAIIS 0.97, a lot of external drivers can be produced, like serial driver (I use Thylacine example...)

Hmmmmmmm - maybe you should try to get in touch with Chris Hodges (Poseidon author) - perhaps he would be willing to support your good project with some pieces of advice on how to code/implement the missing plugins/features?
Just a thought...

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So I thought: "Fine - now we have an USB stack "for very limited Amigas" (KS/Amiga OS 1.3 or higher and processor 68000 (7.14 mHz) or higher) - but of what use is it, if there is no hardware available that works in a system with such low speccs???"

hu? modern and cheap mouse, keyboard, printer... as do the genuine hardware under Intuition.


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Hmmmmmmm - maybe you should try to get in touch with Chris Hodges (Poseidon author) - perhaps he would be willing to support your good project with some pieces of advice on how to code/implement the missing plugins/features? Just a thought...

Already done, but I prefer usbsys.device approach...

Hi Folks!

anaiis 0.97 is finally there
http://aminet.net/package/driver/other/anaiis

before installing it, keep 0.96 version... maybe it contains strange bugs (too fast, too slow, too I don't know...)

What's new:
pandora: usbsys.device (or anaiis.device) sirion like interface.
localization: to see texts in french.

ANAIIS 0.98 is bumped
http://aminet.net/package/driver/other/anaiis

Now you can plug and unplug usb devices as fast as you can.
Notifications are done to load/unload internal or external drivers.

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Gilloo wrote: I'm not expert in hardware design, but if Minimig would use a A1200 standard clockport and better power (At least 2A under 5V), ANAIIS should work with Minimig and Subway!

This might be handy for the C-One Minimig core. The C-One motherboard has 2 x A1200 clock ports, however the core would need to be updated to recognose them from the Amiga side. I'd be more than happy to have USB printing. The C-One "68000 Amiga" can run at 28MHz IIRC so that might help too.

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Of course, paying the full price of a Highway/Subway just for access to limited functions is not going to interest many people. There might be a niche market for a simplified clockport/Zorro card with no stack though.

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Of course, paying the full price of a Highway/Subway just for access to limited functions is not going to interest many people. There might be a niche market for a simplified clockport/Zorro card with no stack though.

@Darrin

1) Consider this stuff as a hobby, the budget is not the limit.
2) All usb devices can be used via the Sirion API (OS4.x like)
3) This niche market exists, but only for keyboard and mouse. (no usb keys, printers...)
4) My software is free (no price, too expensive :) ) and is not the solution, but A solution.

So enjoy usb on ALL Amiga...

@Gilloo

Can you compile your USB printer device for OS4's usbsys.device? The one included in OS4 doesn't work with my printer and I'm curious to see if this will.

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@Gilloo

Great work. I'm not sure if I will try this ever, because I don't have a Highway USB, but are you planning ANAIIS to work also on other Amiga hardware?

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@Chris_Y
You're lucky, but my executables are limited to the first printer interface found in the usb tree (better than nothing, I need to improve that on next releases).

You have 2 solutions. Both are using Sirion API so they *should* work on OS4.x and don't require ANAIIS.
I never test it but somebody has done the test and never complain after this .

- print a file (like a PCL dump) directly with 'usbprint'.
- use ieee1284.device in place of parallel.device (need to patch opendevice) with printer.device as normaly.

The opendevicepatch can be found on Aminet in the famous lpr program by Olaf Barthel
http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/lpr-dev


@Phantom
In theory I can manage usb 1.x and 2.0 protocol.
I seen the Sirion HCD API, this layer is vital to access other hardware, but it is too cloudy for me.
For the moment ANAIIS is limited to uhc124 (Subway and Highway) and not compatible with Sirion HCD API
but never say never

@Gilloo

I tried both those methods but just get crashes. I assume these are due to lack of 68k jump tables. All I could get out of usbprint after skipping the errors in GR, was the single line:
USBPrinter

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@gilloo

Hows things, Gilloo? made any progress? Toward 2.o maybe?

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