@bitman

Join the list and find out yourselves. I don't want to name anyone here but I know there was 2-3 active people at least.

Somehow i prefer genuine amiga software over everybodies standard software. So i'd say i'd prefer a fully developed OWB over Firefox (on the Amiga at least).

But that's maybe just my opinion.

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Yeah. Someday there will be a port, if OS4 lives long enough (hardware, development, developers).[/quote]

Hum ... that does not sound really optimistic It was far earlier to ask for money when the bounty started ...

You're right, once again ! Let's share our efforts ! If the project is advanced, the project leader must inform us, else money could come back to donators for other investments.

I also voted no, although I didn't contributed with money.

OWB is (still) just an emergency browser. It cannot be used as an everyday browser at all IMO. Ever tried viewing a PDF with OWB, or download a torrent, or anything else..? A quick click in IBrowse brings it right up in AmiPDF, starts CTorrent, or anything you want.

OWB also takes forever to start thanks (?) to the .so files which are huge and must be loaded and linked in realtime. It also crashes every now and then during startup half way through the linkage, although not so much anymore with OS4.1.

I don't want to put down Joergs work, not at all. Surfing with IBrowse includes quite a few "emergencies" when something such as OWB is needed. But as a new and fresh browser I primarily like to see IBrowse be updated (btw. how's that, and the 6 month releases, going??) or Firefox.

Only problem with Firefox is that it will most likely be even more huge and slow loading than OWB, also using .so files, and probably not have any better GUI than OWB either to start with, so.... I don't know....

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@Deniil715

I voted NO. I have donated to Amizilla, Sputnik and OWB projects.

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@Mr_Capehill

AmiZilla on SourceForge looks rather dead.So I've triede to join Amizilla on yahoo groups - so let's see if somebody responds.

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I voted yes, absolutely because AmiZilla seems to be a far to big project with nearly no response (as bitman mentioned already) or positive news from the team. So it seems unsuccessful.

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I will donate some money to the AmiZilla project - for FireFox in next few weeks

http://www.discreetfx.com/AmiZilla.html
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http://www.discreetfx.com/amizilla.html

It's too late to swap the money over, if people really wanted to donate to OWB (which I have done separately) or NetSurf, then their bounties would be as large is this booty.

Or is no official form of tracking OWB and NetSurf bounties in place.

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@Deniil715

Just as my wife said, OWB is too primitive to be used as an everyday browser like Firefox. IBrowse, though it is feature packed, can not load the pages that OWB can load (CSS, javascript stuff). The browser that had been my favorite, AWeb, is now far behind even IBrowse.

With all of this being said, OWB and Netsurf are continually being upgraded. If they were to inherit even 1/4 of the features of Firefox, they possibly could become my everyday browser. Until then, let the Amiga browser developer wars continue with the addition of Firefox. Since competition leads to better products, the addition of Firefox could spur the IBrowse, AWeb, OWB, and Netsurf developers to quicken the development of their offerings.

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@elwood,

I contributed to the Amizilla fund. I would be pretty ####ed off if the money went to an OS4 only browser.

If you like OWB, then send them some cash.

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@all

Why not change the poll to (addressed to the programmers):

"How big should the bounty be, to motivate you to do the port?"

$15.000
$20.000
....
....

The programmers should be around - only "motivation" is missing?

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@elwood

You can't redirect funds that were donated for a specific purpose unless every single donor agrees. Don't forget that a significant amount was donated by a Mozilla/Netscape executive.

Yes, it is a big project. Amiga OS 4/x's built in Cairo library should help out, given that Firefox 3 uses it as its backend. I think that it might be worth trying to resurrect this project. If enough developers are interested, progress could be made.

Hans

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@bitman

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bitman wrote: @all Why not change the poll to (addressed to the programmers): "How big should the bounty be, to motivate you to do the port?" $15.000 $20.000 .... .... The programmers should be around - only "motivation" is missing?

There may be developers that would be interested, but, unless we have enough interested developers, the size of the task will be a strong deterrent.

Let us say that we try to solve this purely with money. The average salary for a programmer in the US is $60000 USD. Assuming that it is similar everywhere (which it is not, but it makes this easier), how many man-years do you think that it would take to port? I have no idea personally as I've never even looked at the source (I suck at porting from Linux), but it will likely take several man-years of effort. So, the bounty would have to be well above $100000 USD. However, if you want a group of developers to port it in a reasonable time-frame, expecting them to wait until they finished it before being paid is unreasonable. You'd really need to pay them as full-time developers.

I have a different suggestion. Firefox has multiple sub-systems and dependencies. If a group of developers could list the dependencies that are missing and all the modules that Firefox comprises, divide the bounty into managable chunks. For example, if someone gets the networking component (whatever it's called) operational (and be able to prove that it works), they would receive a part of the bounty. This would do two things. First, the individual modules/dependencies are small enough that someone is more likely to take on that task. Second, people will see the progress and be more likely to donate more to see the rest of the program ported.

Hans

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Would be interesting, what you deem to be the least amount of features that for instance OWB would need to get to be usable for you (and your wifes ;) )...

I have to admit i am not your average power user of Browsers, i am usually content with:

* having a textfield where i can type in URLs (love to have some sort of autocompletion though).
* being able to add Bookmarks to a list (doesn't need to have folders for me).
* forward and back button..
* once a week i use the browsinghistory, but i can live without that..

What exactly do you need in a browser so you would say it's "the complete package" for your daily needs..?

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@elwood

I think it's not possible. A large amount of money for this project was donated by the Mozilla founder itself. How would you explain to him that we wants to move his money to other competitors projects?

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AmiZilla seems to be a far to big project

Yes, the goals are unrealistic. The cost of the hardware just to test the resulting program on the target systems probably exceeds the bounty. I don't think non-programmers have a clue how much time it would take to port to a single target system, let alone every Amiga system mentioned in the bounty. I have programs that have been crippled by the transition from OS 4.0 to OS 4.1. Can you imagine a program that must work on every new iteration of a half dozen different (but very similar) operating systems. I think it's also unlikely that such a huge program designed to work on a 500+ MHz system could ever work on a classic Amiga. Somehow this bounty looks like more of a trick to get page views of a commercial WEB site than a realistic effort to get results.

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@Hans

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but it will likely take several man-years of effort. So, the bounty would have to be well above $100000 USD.

You're getting to the conclusion that I was thinking the "other" poll could show: No bounty is big enough for this task, so the current bounty is obsolete.

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@bitman

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bitman wrote: @Hans Quote: but it will likely take several man-years of effort. So, the bounty would have to be well above $100000 USD. You're getting to the conclusion that I was thinking the "other" poll could show: No bounty is big enough for this task, so the current bounty is obsolete.

I don't think that it's obsolete. If I did port it, I'd still want the money. It can help motivate developers, but these developers have to want to port Firefox in the first place. Some people seem to think that $10k-$20k is a big prize that developers should be grateful to have a shot at. I'm just trying to show how much software development like this really costs.

Hans

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Hi @elwood

I voted yes. Amizilla fed me a promise long ago and hasn't delivered anything. I would like to Chris Young get my donation for NetSurf; at least there's something tangible! Sputnik was another crap shoot. And where is it! No more money for any browser development. Sorry OWB, your dust in the wind. Screw your browsers Amiga...

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@elwood

There is one problem with that: People donated for a Firefox port, not an OWB port. So if you suddenly reassign the money, you will pee off a lot of people.

How would you feel if you donated money for, say, saving river dolphins from extinction and suddenly they say "Screw the dolphins, we're saving the hawaiian plant life ?

Not to mention that there might be people working on a mozilla port without telling publically...

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