@elwood

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When I use OWB and Netsurf I can't stop comparing these with Firefox and I always think "Wow!!!".

Why that, exactly? As good as OWB is for Amiga (haven't tried Netsurf yet), it is lacking a lot of important features that Firefox has. Not trying to put it down, really, it's a lot of good work that went into it, but still, Firefox is way better.

I can't help but think that people have the tendency to try and convince themselves that the grass is greener on this side. IMO it isn't. Getting Firefox onto the Amiga is a primary concern of me, and to be honest, if it doesn't happen soon then I am going to do it myself.

I'm tempted.

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@Rogue

Last year around this time, I picked up a book on C programming because getting programs like Firefox and OpenOffice.org on the Amiga is of great concern to me. I knew that I alone could not port such programs by myself, but I thought I could at least contribute something. Unfortunately, I had to put down the book to take care of more important things in my household.

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@Mr_Capehill

In the real world people NEED money to buy food,take care of themselves and their loved ones,pay taxes,and acquire more computer toys.

Expecting talented people to simply give away their work for nothing is not realistic.

If the port were a matter of a few dozen hours work over several months of hobby time,then maybe; but to port something that took a whole team of paid programmers months to make is not trivial.I'm pretty sure Netscape existed to make money.

In fact,history teaches us that money as the medium of exchange is pretty effective in getting things done.

If the Amiga is every going to leave the hobbyists' niche ,it will be because some people have figured out how to make it pay.

And diverting the Amizilla bounty ,especially without the consent of the donors is unfair.Neither is changing the rules in the middle of the game.

I wonder if there should be bechmark mini-bounties to be awarded when certain core steps have been accomplished in porting.The current approach is all or nothing so will discourage those who might contribute talent to a particular aspect but are not so good in other.

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BigC wrote: If the port were a matter of a few dozen hours work over several months of hobby time,then maybe; but to port something that took a whole team of paid programmers months to make is not trivial.

That rather depends on what is being ported and how portable it is. If it is highly portable and we have all the prerequisites, even if it is a huge project that took years to make it should be able to be ported (at least in a partially-working state) reasonably quickly. Amigatising the port might take considerably longer.

If it isn't quite so portable and/or it depends on libraries we don't have, it's going to take longer. As portable as Firefox is, with all the requirements and chunks of code that need to be rewritten to work on the Amiga (some of the user interface stuff), it is going to take a while - and probably some way proportional to the size of the code. OpenOffice will have similar problems.

If you need to rewrite the entire UI for a port it can take a considerable amount of time and work - even if it appears to just be a case of opening a window to draw the screen to and collecting mouse and keyboard input (it probably isn't).

And, yes, I do need to release a newer beta of NetSurf. I'm working on it.

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@BigC

I don't expect anyone should give their work for nothing. I meant that the money is not the motivation for everyone. Need, challenge or ambition might work for some.

Minibounties might be good. I can see a huge issue if it actually comes to the point of sharing the money with people who contributed...

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If the Amiga is every going to leave the hobbyists' niche ,it will be because some people have figured out how to make it pay.

That's a good point. You will only get higher quality software, if dedicated companies feel they can make some bucks with releasing something for your platform.
Hobbyism only gets oyu to a certain point in these times of teams of hundreds developing on one piece of software..

@elwood

Ok we have OS & hardware to run now & we have been stuck with aweb/ibrowse/voyager etc browsers for long time but if we put them all as one & they still not a proper browser or come any near to firefox. sorry whats the point having a newer OS + hw but still trying to
make everyone think OWB/Netsurf is the only option as for the amiga comminity so we can all say yea transfer that money to other ports..

well how we going to get newer users into amiga comminty if we dont have top apps like firefox or openoffice.

Why dont we ask linux coders to port firefox/open office for amiga or even better ask aros team / morphos / amigaos4 cooders port them & we donate much as we can as comminty to them.

Most important 2 thinks we need or makes a complate os is browser& office apps
so if we can port them than yea amiga will shineup or if we dont than will lose all the users 1by1.

sorry i could be wrong here but still my way of looking at it.

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Don't forget Java. But yeah, what is needed is actually blindingly obvious. Productivity and Internet Applications.

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@Rogue

oooops yea java is 100% important is well.

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what is needed is actually blindingly obvious. Productivity and Internet Applications

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I agree..

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@Rogue

I'll go on record as thinking a full-featured web browser is actually the most important application needed TODAY as that is what the majority of people do with their computers at home.

Second would be easy to use video processing capable of working with all the digital cameras in the hands of families.Also must be capable of viewing streaming video and movie downloading. Even one of my county libraries offers dvd downloading;and it is in a rather small city.

If not AmigaOpenOffice,the productivity must be able to smoothly transfer to and from the usual business office apps .Big business is locked into Microsoft apps ,but telecommuters and independents might well do better elsewhere.I have noted a few businesses using Linux to avoid the Microsoft licensing fees and restrictions.

WE,the people everywhere, ought to demand that our governments not arbitrarily require all web visitors or contractors to be using Microsoft browsers and apps ,anymore than a particular brand of shovel be required to dig a hole.It ought to be only that which gets the job done.

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WE, the people everywhere, ought to demand that our governments not arbitrarily require all web visitors or contractors to be using Microsoft browsers and apps, anymore than a particular brand of shovel be required to dig a hole. It ought to be only that which gets the job done.

I like it! But government seems to do whatever they want regardless of the citizen's voice.

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Rogue wrote: @serk118 Don't forget Java. But yeah, what is needed is actually blindingly obvious. Productivity and Internet Applications.

*bing* Give that man a cigar.

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@Rogue

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Quote: When I use OWB and Netsurf I can't stop comparing these with Firefox and I always think "Wow!!!". Why that, exactly? As good as OWB is for Amiga (haven't tried Netsurf yet),

Speed.
I find that Netsurf is faster on A1 than FF is on a PC running at 3 Ghz.
But when you compare features, you're right of course, FF can't be beaten.

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@Mr_Capehill

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@bitman Join the list and find out yourselves. I don't want to name anyone here but I know there was 2-3 active people at least.

Well it's now more than 3 months since i tried to join the list - nobody ever answered - so as i wrote earlier the list looks dead.

Was there ever any output from that project - and if there was, why not pass the material on to the guys from amidevsupport.com - if it's possible to get the material.

I think they can use it.

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@elwood

Why strop the bounty to trasfer the money on OWB ?
There was already a money transfer to OWB, and this when the Sputnik's bounty was arbitary closed, instead at this point IMHO would be better to transfer part on the Amizilla's bounty again on Sputnik, the rest of amount maybe can be splitted in minor part to Mozilla related dependencies

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@samo79

I don't think that the bounty should be stopped - I just want to know what the status of this Amizilla project is - did they produce anything - and if they did, why did it stop? I had no response when joining the list, so I guess the project is dead - and what ever was produced could be passsed on to other people who wants to continue it like amidevsupport.com?

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IMHO: Firefox is too bloated (extremely slow) and crashes very often. (on Linux and on Windows)

Nowdays I mainly use Opera on Linux and Safari on OSX & Windows.

(I will be trying "Modern" Amiga browsers in near future)

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@bitman

I don't mean to stopped anythings, I just suggest to split it in minor separated project, AFAIK this is already discussed out there, Amizilla project is it on hold from long time now, surely that doesn't mean that is dead, it is active but waited from all the necessary tools from Amiga community (third part), I think about new GCC 68k or Cairo 68k for example ...

Now we have a lot of updated tools that 4-5 years ago it was only dreamed, but we need more to be able to compile a decent "Mozilla ambient" on AmigaOS ...

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@bitman

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bitman wrote: @Mr_Capehill Quote: @bitman Join the list and find out yourselves. I don't want to name anyone here but I know there was 2-3 active people at least. Well it's now more than 3 months since i tried to join the list - nobody ever answered - so as i wrote earlier the list looks dead. Was there ever any output from that project - and if there was, why not pass the material on to the guys from amidevsupport.com - if it's possible to get the material. I think they can use it.

Sad but not unexpected. Try searching for a user I believe named 'Ants' here as well as 'AmiZilla' or 'Mozilla port' on AW, there were a few statuses given. if anything *was* done, I'd urge them to commit what they have to sourceforge in case someone picks it up at a later date.

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@samo79

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Amizilla project is it on hold from long time now, surely that doesn't mean that is dead, it is active but waited from all the necessary tools from Amiga community (third part),

If it's active why dosn't anyone respond when trying to join the list - i've been waiting for 3 months to join the list? Who can grant my login?

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