@Hans

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you want to do a proper comparison: - use the same drive in both machines (as others have said)

This sounds like a job for an Amiga dealer. Who has the parts.

It is a bit hard when the IDE drive and SATA drive don't plug in the same socket without an adaptor!

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- enable the maximum DMA mode on both machines

IIRC even new HD's I bought new didn't even run at 133MHz DMA. And one was last year. Must check again. I'm certain the drive refused the mac DMA mode. Mongrel drive.

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- use the same file-system on both machines (e.g., SFS is noticeably faster than FFS2)

Now this in an interesting point. I'd assumed the file-system would be irrelevant as I thought it would be read on the device level. I didn't know it just used a Read() command from AmigaDOS or similar. This would provide inaccurate results if it is done this way.

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@Hypex

>>This is the year 2009, I am over messing around in the CLI, I just want to click on my drive and press a speed gadget. Not mess with parameters and device names.


People, I must say that Hypex is flipping right!

Come on give us the GUIs, I am a bit fed up with launching games and software through the shell, cli or whatever.

We are going the Linux way here LOL!

Amiga is supposed to be simplicity not freaking going through millions of commands, last night I was trying Quake 3 for the first time on the SAM and I downloaded the one from aminet, apart from the fact that it did my head in trying to start it, it also doesn't work, it starts and all the graphics are messed up, try to launch a game and it's slow, 1fps, maybe less, what is going on?

I also want to run UAE, is there a GUI because I ain't going to launch it like that? LOL!

GUI is king.

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@Hypex Quote:

I only use the CLI if I need too or with programming. I thought the Amiga was about using a GUI.

Funny, because I always thought the Amiga was all about have a friendly yet powerful CLI for when you needed it!

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@TheDaddy

I also have quake 3 running on my SAM440EP, but nobody can tell me why it is running slow on my system, but 1FPS????? WTF??????

thought 2 - 5 FPS was slow, what are you runningit on,a 500+ mhz version instead of a 600+Mhz version sam440ep??

Anyway, cheers.

P.S. Still trying to test many things.

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@Hypex

And I thought you were calling yourself a programmer.

Sorry, had to edit what I wrote earlier, would not want to raise any upsetness.

Cheers..

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@TheDaddy

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People, I must say that Hypex is flipping right!

Thankyou!

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Amiga is supposed to be simplicity not freaking going through millions of commands, last night I was trying Quake 3 for the first time on the SAM and I downloaded the one from aminet, apart from the fact that it did my head in trying to start it, it also doesn't work, it starts and all the graphics are messed up, try to launch a game and it's slow, 1fps, maybe less, what is going on?

It seem to be related to the Sam hardware somehow. Perhaps OS4 has some emulation traps for unsupported opcodes that are causing a slowdown. Since it does run but doesn't crash. Usually.

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I also want to run UAE, is there a GUI because I ain't going to launch it like that? LOL!

Well there is UAEConfig on the depot but it needs to be seriously updated. Infact it usually annoys me by overwriting my config everytime it launches UAE. I even tried to follow the UAE docs for mounting a HD image but gave up. So what I do now is configure it on my Mac with HiToro then copy it across to the Amiga and correct paths. Not a good situation.

@ChrisH

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Funny, because I always thought the Amiga was all about have a friendly yet powerful CLI for when you needed it!

We shouldn't need it this much! But on my system that is only true if I have KingCON.

@Gebrochen

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And I thought you were calling yourself a programmer.

Sometimes I like a few recreational activities not involving cryptic text entry and instead clicking on gadgets.

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Sorry, had to edit what I wrote earlier, would not want to raise any upsetness.

Why? What as it about? Nah, I'm fairly easy going. Sometimes I think people take me too seriously.

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"The what?" Chill out...

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@All

I managed to do a ScsiSpeed test but could only do with my master drive which has hard errors. And not a good result.

IMHO it is bugged as when I used it with my slave (WB) drive it read for a while and then killed my clock docky. Later is locked up. I could reboot but then found it had killed my system volume. I had to then UBoot it and it cam,e back! Looks like it needs work before the GUI comes back. I tried both 4.2 and 4.3 from DiskSpeed. Oh yeah DiskSpeed complains it can't get a lock on my hardware where as ScsiSpeed could.


5.RAM Disk:DiskSpeed> ScsiSpeed drive=sii0680ide.device:2 FAST BUF1=8192 BUF2=16384 BUF3=32768 BUF4=65536
ScsiSpeed 4.3, OS4 version
Copyright © 1989-92 MKSoft Development
Copyright © 2003-04 Daniel J. Andrea II & Stéphane Guillard
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CPU: 68020 AmigaOS Version: 53.5
Device: sii0680ide.device:2


Testing with a 8192 byte, MEMF_FAST, LONG-aligned buffer.
Read from SCSI: 4240779 bytes/sec

Testing with a 16384 byte, MEMF_FAST, LONG-aligned buffer.
Read from SCSI: 4177920 bytes/sec

Testing with a 32768 byte, MEMF_FAST, LONG-aligned buffer.
Read from SCSI: 4378848 bytes/sec

Testing with a 65536 byte, MEMF_FAST, LONG-aligned buffer.
Read from SCSI: 3283353 bytes/sec

@Hypex

>>Well there is UAEConfig on the depot but it needs to be seriously updated. Infact it usually annoys me by overwriting my config everytime it launches UAE. I even tried to follow the UAE docs for mounting a HD image but gave up. So what I do now is configure it on my Mac with HiToro then copy it across to the Amiga and correct paths. Not a good situation.

Could someone update it then? I am not a programmer otherwise I would have done it. We need a nice, working GUI for UAE, come on people

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@Hypex
Well, there's your problem. 3 or 4 MB/sec is not right (barely faster than an A1200's appalling IDE speed), while I get 100MB/sec on my Sam440.

Probably DMA is not enabled on your Sam440. (And possibly the harddrive also has it's cache disabled, because OS4 has detected it is buggy. Only solution there is to get a different HD, I suggest a Seagate Barracuda one - but avoid 500MB or larger for a few months due to a bad firmware bug.)

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@ChrisH

>>Probably DMA is not enabled on your Sam440.

How do you enable it?

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Does anybody have experience with WD Raptors?
Does it make sense in this respect? Or in combo with any of the AMiga's?

What are speed results for µA1's in general. I'm highly curious.


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@ChrisH


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Well, there's your problem. 3 or 4 MB/sec is not right (barely faster than an A1200's appalling IDE speed), while I get 100MB/sec on my Sam440.

Whoa!

I don't have a Sam440, I have an A1. 4 MB/s is still faster than my A1200 Ferret SCSI! Which maxed out at 2 MB/s here. In real use I found SCSI2 no faster than IDE.

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Probably DMA is not enabled on your Sam440. (And possibly the harddrive also has it's cache disabled, because OS4 has detected it is buggy. Only solution there is to get a different HD, I suggest a Seagate Barracuda one - but avoid 500MB or larger for a few months due to a bad firmware bug.)

I bought a new drive last year. Both of these I have are WD. My master is 80GB, my slave 160GB.

Here are my settigs. See anything wrong?

-------------------Unit 2 information------------------------
Flags : $00000185 - present, supports DMA, ATA, supports cache flush, interrupts used,
Xfer mode : best pio 12 (PIO 4, 16 MB/s) / best dma 69 (UDMA 5, 100 MB/s) / current 69 (UDMA 5, 100 MB/s)
Total blocks : 156301488
Blocksize : 512
Power mode : 2 / idle (ready for operation)
IO1 / IO2 / BMCR @ : $802410 / $80241A / $802428
-------------------Unit 3 information------------------------
Flags : $00000187 - present, LBA48 used, supports DMA, ATA, supports cache flush, interrupts used,
Xfer mode : best pio 12 (PIO 4, 16 MB/s) / best dma 69 (UDMA 5, 100 MB/s) / current 69 (UDMA 5, 100 MB/s)
Total blocks : 312581808
Blocksize : 512
Power mode : 2 / idle (ready for operation)
IO1 / IO2 / BMCR @ : $802410 / $80241A / $802428

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Hypex wrote: @Phantom Quote: Hmm... did you switch to DMA mode for Sam, or you done the test in the default mode (PIO)? I haven't myself, it's default AFAIK. It is a pre-installed machine by ACube so I'd assumed they would have set it up to run at DMA. However, I don't know how to check/set DMA on the Sam. It doesn't have UBoot prefs AFAIK so it can be hard to check.

You need to activate it AFAIK. Anyway is pretty stupid to don't have it on by default on OS4, but don't blame Acube. Check your settings.

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I don't have a Sam440, I have an A1.

Sorry, but your first post reads like you *do* have both an A1 *and* a Sam440

I have no idea what a reasonable DMA disk speed is for an A1, given it's bugs & age & the fact it uses IDE. But personally I'd have hoped for at least 10 to 20 MB/sec on IDE.

BTW, you seem to have DMA enabled (according to "current"). I'm not sure, but "supports cache flush" SOUNDS like there is *no* cache problem. In which case I do not know why it is so slow - but I find it hard to believe this is normal.

P.S. I had SCSI built-in to my A1200 accelerators (first GVP then Phase5), thus it was properly supported (proper DMA), and I'm sure I got close to 10MB/sec. But I never used IDE, and especially never used an hacks that I believe gave you faster IDE on an A1200.

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