@Zylesea

Im basically just saying my experiences are as follows:

Amiga OS4.1 is easier for me to use, and more pleasant than MorphOS2.1

Cheers.

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@Zylesea

What gebrochen doesn't tell you is why he was asked to use shell. He came on IRC stating he couldn't install MorphOS for some reason. Communication was somewhat difficult.

The root of the problem is he didn't manage to type 'ls' properly in OpenFirmware (even though we warned him several times, he mixed a 'i' with a 'l' apparently).

So when he was on a CDBoot session (which worked flawlessly), before and after installation process, we asked him to open a shell and type a few commands to allows *us* to know how the system was partitioned and so on (because no, we can't really read people minds easily, so shell output is somewhat handy). But it seems gebrochen didn't understand that yet, but nevermind. :)

@gebrochen

So what do you need shell for in MorphOS, i'm quite interested.
And, by the way, didn't your SAM come with OS4 preinstalled (i just wonder, somehow :))?

@Fab

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What gebrochen doesn't tell you is why he was asked to use shell. He came on IRC stating he couldn't install MorphOS for some reason. Communication was somewhat difficult. The root of the problem is he didn't manage to type 'ls' properly in OpenFirmware (even though we warned him several times, he mixed a 'i' with a 'l' apparently). So when he was on a CDBoot session (which worked flawlessly), before and after installation process, we asked him to open a shell and type a few commands to allows *us* to know how the system was partitioned and so on (because no, we can't really read people minds easily, so shell output is somewhat handy). But it seems gebrochen didn't understand that yet, but nevermind. :)

Ah, the truth finally comes out.

I wish the idiots wouldnt advocate OS4 so hard. It reflects badly on the entire OS4 userbase.

@Fab1



Well, if you have been reading through the forums, I had to do a Repair/Upgrade install when I mucked up my icons through a harsh learning curve.

AND

I remember needing the shell and some openfirmware instructions via a keyboard just to install MorphOS2.1

Also to note, things were easier to setup for a novice on OS4.1, internet, and the like.

My MorphOS 2.1 took longer to setup in those areas.

I also have a larger array of shortcut commands via keyboard on my os4.1 versus mos2.1. I noticed this right away.

AROS is the same, sure, has shortcut commands also like MOS, but not as many as OS4.1

Again an advantage that I like on OS4.1

Suppose the only thing interesting in MOS2.1, is not needing to install archived programs, but rather the ability to go into them, and use them.

But even that is not to my liking. I am not easy to please I suppose.

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@bbrv

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bbrv wrote: @itix ... We should have some more good news for this community soon. ...

Yeah - come up together with Hyperion & ACube with the announcement that OS 4.1 / MOS 2.x have been ported to the YDL PowerStation and support one core initially (multi processor support can be added later on), please...

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@Hypex

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Hypex wrote: @TheDaddy What the!! This would never have happened under Amiga Incs control. It would have been a complete conflict of interest. Makes a mockery of the hardware company needs a license thing. I don't think Genesi would have payed to get a license and AmigaOS4 on their boards. ...

Yeah - something must have happened with regard to the trial that we don't know of (yet).

I remember AInc not willing to license AOS 4.x for the PEG was the main reason a port to PEG never happened so far.

The sudden release of OS 4.1 for the PEG II implies that the legal basis somehow must have changed - be it, that it is becoming appearent that Hyperion is going to win at court, or be it that it somehow is a consequence of Pentii Kouri passing away...

EDIT:
Anyway - I'm missing Tigger and his interesting and controversial comments on this matter...


Anyone knows what happened to him?

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@Dandy

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The sudden release of OS 4.1 for the PEG II implies that the legal basis somehow must have changed - be it, that it is becoming appearent that Hyperion is going to win at court, or be it that it somehow is a consequence of Pentii Kouri passing away...

... or it's just the result of the settlement

@Naz

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Naz wrote: @Dandy Quote: The sudden release of OS 4.1 for the PEG II implies that the legal basis somehow must have changed - be it, that it is becoming appearent that Hyperion is going to win at court, or be it that it somehow is a consequence of Pentii Kouri passing away... ... or it's just the result of the settlement

...if there actually was one.

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@amigang


http://www.genesi-usa.com/pegasos === >>this product has been discontinued.

what a timing to port o4.1 to peg.

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Maybe something more is comming?

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It turns out the EFIKA has the same Firmware. We call it Aura and write frequently about its virtues. You can read a more in depth discussion from late 2006 here: The EFIKA Comes to Life. It is also the reason Darren can boot not only MorphOS and AmigaOS, but also one of many distributions of GNU/Linux and MacOSX (using Mac-on-Linux), and all from the same hard disk. While the AmigaOS port heralds to the past, Aura is about to help us bring something new to the Amiga Community. As mentioned a couple of weeks ago, the ARM9 Reference Design and GNU/Linux support we developed for Toshiba features a newer version Aura. That same package is ready for the i.MX515 and the associated Developer Program, which is now open. Please keep track of what is proposed. A certain AROS Developer is willing to bring AROS to this board. The Anubis Dev team also wants to develop their system for this platform. We will share more details soon.

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@Gebrochen

"I remember needing the shell and some openfirmware instructions via a keyboard just to install MorphOS2.1"

all you need is: boot cd boot.img in the firmware then no need for keyboard at all for the install process.
i guess the sam requires a command as well to boot os4.1 cd on it.
any other shell/of usage after the bootcommand was YOUR own fault, not morphos'.

"Also to note, things were easier to setup for a novice on OS4.1, internet, and the like."

internet settings: check the ethernet interface that u want to use. one click with the mouse. really difficult eh?

"I also have a larger array of shortcut commands via keyboard on my os4.1 versus mos2.1. I noticed this right away."

but you havent noticed that you can set zillion shortcuts both in system prefs and in mui prefs. so many that i cant keep all in mind:)

bottom line: you've got problems not morphos is too difficult to use.
if you like os4 better fine, but dont tell lies 'bout m, coz you lame....

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Don't worry about Gebrochen, he's blinded by love

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@Ruud

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Don't worry about Gebrochen, he's blinded by love

We call it ignorance. "Blinded by love" is very diplomatic way to put it.

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@fairlanefastback

Pegasos2 running MorphOS 2.0
I'm jealous now! Let us know how OS4.1 runs, yes!

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@Snuffy

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I'm jealous now! Let us know how OS4.1 runs, yes!

Hi Snuffy.
Spotup luvs it.

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opi wrote: @Ruud Quote: Don't worry about Gebrochen, he's blinded by love We call it ignorance. "Blinded by love" is very diplomatic way to put it.

Well, I am a diplomatic person
On the other hand as someone who uses both os4.1 and morphos2.2, I can safely say his reasons for disliking mos in relation to os4.1 are completely

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@Ruud

Because................................................?

@hotrod

Because what? Have you read Fab's background story on his "I hate MorphOS because I don't like using shell"? If I'd say "I hate AmigaOS4.x because I prefer MUI from technical and visual point of view" it would still be:

a) My opinion
b) and have more merit than "MorphOS sucks because you need to use shell"

You see, if someone wants to educate you, and you don't get it, it's not 100% educator fault. Maybe you where to stupid to get it? Too lazy? Too ignorant? Read what people write in here: "MorphOS sucks because I can't type 'ls'" "Linux is Windows", "OS X is poorly coded", "Windows has no multitasking", "C is worse than AMOS because I don't want to understand difference between OpenScreen and graphic.library/OpenScreen()", "Troika is real, honestly. You'll see, Panda will rock", "OS5 is done by Amiga, INC in house", "Hyperion should port to X platform, because I think product Y is kawaii, and even if I have no details on technological side of things nor I know #### about licensing I'll fight tooth and nail to push my agenda"

You see my good Sir, when I was hardcore Amiga user most of us where technical monsters. We'd learn and peak around IT world, and code, and share ideas. I considered AmigaOS authors, developers and users to be incredible creative bunch. We've lost Commodore? We still did our thing, extending and pushing envelope. There where HW manufactures, software developers and vibrant community full of people who still could show what can be done with AmigaOS.

Even if I'm not part of Amiga community any more I hate to see it overrun by morons and fanboys. I just can't stand reading random idiocy. You want 'yes' crowd? There's a portal dedicated to just that. Or ask moderators to ban me.

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@Rogue

Hope that next revisions of SAM / Peg will have full speed and voltage PCI and AGP slot. This is very limiting the already limited choice.

But thanks for your most reasonable and serious answers, as well as for the work.

Even 9800 Radeon is a step forward, so A1XE / PegII owners enjoy.

I dont know how much GFX card matters now for OS 4.1 Engine,
but for miniGL and OpenGL one day, it should.

Since most of Amiga users today use some of ATI (now AMD) Radeons ...
(aparat from Classic users and some A1 users using Voodoo and Parmedia)
just to compare:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_ATI_graphics_processing_units

Radeon 7000/VE (Amiga One ITX)
2001 / RV100/ 100mm / AGP4x and PCI / max 64MB / Max 183 Mhz GPU/ Max 183Mhz DDR RAM No T&L / 550 MT/s / 2.9 GB/s / 64 bit bus/ DirectX 7 / Open GL 1.3
0 vertex / 1 Pixel / 3 Texture / 1 Render

Radeon 9250 (Most common Peg II / SAM EP Flex / AmigaOne XE)
2004 RV280 / 150mm/ AGP8x,PCI / Max 256MB 200Mhz DDR / 240Mhz GPU / 960 MT/s, 6.4GB/s (Note that SE edition has 64-bit bus and almost -50% performance hit, as well as that Radeon 9200 is slightly faster) 1 vertex / 4 Pixel / 4 Texture / 4 Render

Radeon M9 (on board of SAMEP440 ITX)
2002 / RV250/ 150 mm/ AGP 4x/ Max 64MB / Max 250Mhz GPU / Max 200Mhz DDR / Direct X 8.1 / OpenGL 1.4/ Speed Test by Radeon 9000Pro 150Mhz 8.8 GB/s 1100MT/s
1 vertex / 4 Pixel / 4 Texture / 4 Render

Radeon 9800 (This is what Rogue is driving
256 bit / 2003 / R350 / 150 mm / AGP 8x/ Max 128MB DDR 290 Mhz / 325MHz GPU / 2000 Mt/s, 18.56 GB/s / Direct X 9 / OpenGL 2 / F-Buffer / 4 vertex / 8 Pixel / 8 Texture / 8 Render

My PC card Radeon 2006 AIW PCI-E (based on X1300 performance)
RV515 / 90mm/PCI-E 16x / max 512MB DDR 533Mhz / 450Mhz GPU (note AIW cards have slightly slower GPU and DDR RAM rates) 1 800 MT/s / 8.0GB/s, DX 9.0c / OpenGL 2.0
2 vertex / 4 Pixel / 4 Texture / 4 Render + FM and TV Tuner / AVIVO / Hydravision (obviously not bought just for speed ... but was fastest AIW at the time)

Anyway, 9800 seems to be verry powerfull card, and all lucky bustards should get one, as well as M9 is not that bad at all, if compared to 9250SE and 7000 Radeons

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