Anyone thinks that I should hold off purchasing a (very expensive) Sam440 Flex system until this "big news" comes out from Hyperion?

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@Nostromo

No.

Especially if you want OS4.1+ and don't currently have an A1/MicroA1/Pegasos.

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@yoodoo2

Well yeah I would like to use OS4.1 and dont have any of those machines, but imagine if 1 day after I buy a flex, OS4.1 is announced for Mac Mini (which can be picked up fairly cheap) or x86 (ok this one aint happening).... I'd die.

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@Nostromo

If OS4 is announced for Mac Mini, you can expect grey market prices to jump above the cost of a SAM. After Moana was leaked, prices spiked considerably....

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@Trev

Also i dont think that Acube would be very happy.... and you know, they publish OS4.1

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@bernd_afa

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you say to me I do anti OS4 debate.

If you are wrong about some thing then at least we can help you correct you misconceptions, I don't mind if you are interested in constructive debate.

Chris H has point in saying that don't wont off topic debate, maybe you should start a new thread about API's and different kinds of philosophies about operating systems.

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Hyperion should port their OS to a cheap and powerful Hardware as other OS have

INTEL are not selling well this days it was on the news to day (NRK1 TV), prices might be forced up soon, if production goes down.

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@Nostromo

Both of which have already been squashed by HyperionMP and at least one of the main OS4 coders.

And if they're just starting on either of these projects, it will be some time before tangible results are available for purchase anyway, so you;ll be missing out for some time.

However, just to be on the safe side, if OS4.x for either MacMini or x86 is readily available for purchase the day after you buy a Sam flex, I'll buy it off you at the price you paid for it. Especially if you get it from AmigaKit.

Tell you what, providing you buy the Sam before the end of July this year, I'll give you a month

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@yoodoo2

Didnt they also deny the existance of OS4.1 for Peg2?

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@Nostromo

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announced for Mac Mini (which can be picked up fairly cheap) or x86 (ok this one aint happening).... I'd die.

I have seen more the one comment from Hyperion saying they will not support MacMini, if you like to run OS4.1 you should buy the Sam440Flex 800mhz.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

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INTEL are not selling well this days it was on the news to day (NRK1 TV), prices might be forced up soon, if production goes down.

In the US (and the rest of the western world?), most people finance computer and electronics purchases, and we all know how hard it is for the average person to get unsecured credit these days.

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@Nostromo

Ages ago when there was no port for Peg. Denial of the other 2 has been much more recent.

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@Trev

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If OS4 is announced for Mac Mini, you can expect grey market prices to jump above the cost of a SAM. After Moana was leaked, prices spiked considerably....

In what reality? There had to be ten of thousands Mac Minis with PowerPC. You have seen spikes? Like average seller on eBay know that some obscure OS can run on his Mac Mini (or cares). Would Mac match Sam price? From what I see I could get Mac Mini for 3/4 of Sam's price. That would be ready-to-run computer with fast G4 CPU, memory, nice case and OS X vs. board.

Even if Mac Mini would match Sam price 1:1 there still will be no discussion what to pick up.

But Hyperion said there will be no port for Mac Mini, so this ends that.

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@Trev

-D__USE_INLINE__ -lauto

Hey presto, minimal code changes to build on OS4.

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@Trev

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Trev wrote: @NutsAboutAmiga Quote: INTEL are not selling well this days it was on the news to day (NRK1 TV), prices might be forced up soon, if production goes down. In the US (and the rest of the western world?), most people finance computer and electronics purchases, and we all know how hard it is for the average person to get unsecured credit these days.

Well I think is more common to save up some cash at least in Norway, well my grand parents lived during the world war 2, did not have lots of money, most people did produce some food in there own garden because of shortage of food in stores during this hard times.

It was about time the double exploded, you can't live of borrowed money forever.

Anyway you don't buy unnecessary things when you have lost your job or is close to losing your job, or you think you might lose your job in the near future.

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@opi

I highly doubt Hyperion Entertainment at its current size of staff and form would want to port OS4 to something as prevalent thus cheap as Mac Minis because for one thing they current make a good amount on fixing the price of their OS on less commoditized hardware. Another issue is technically supporting a flood of casual users who would probably run into more problems then we care to think about.

People need to stop looking to any business to substantially grow the userbase of any Amiga like OS, especially in the current fiscal climate.

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@ReverseGTR

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I highly doubt Hyperion Entertainment at its current size of staff and form would want

I said they DON'T WANT to port it. I just commented on Trev's "Mini's price will spike". If you want to run your Amiga software on Mac Mini you better get UAE or wait for MOS-Team to finish MorphOS port.

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@COBRA

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I also used the interface system for making the DvPlayer plugin system and saved me a lot of development time, I can simply use a unique interface name "dvplugin" which ensures that a dvplayer plugin is not mistaken with a system library for instance. Try doing that with the original Amiga library system.

It is not really difficult with the original library system. It just needs that one must be aware how library calls are made:

void MyPluginOpen(APTR base)
{
APTR MyPluginBase = base;
PluginOpen();
}

Sure, it needs more coding and knowledge but it is doable.

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@opi

No, I just think every Amiga user will want the fastest, unmarked PPC Mini, just like every Apple user that prefers PPC over Intel (I don't think that's a very big camp these days, but I don't know). There'll just be a bit of tension between the two markets until the prices stabalize. The boxes themselves are settling into long-term collector's hands, though, so who knows what availability would look like.

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@itix

Doable, but since the library list is global, you run the risk of confusing other processes that might end up with a base reference to your library because of name and version number conflicts. Sounds like OS4 is edging towards a COM-like system for managing interface and instance data.

EDIT: Thought I'd add an example:

1. MyMessengerTask calls OpenLibrary("libs/EmailPlugin.library", 1L)
2. Exec loads the EmailPlugin.library relative to MyMessengerTask and returns the library base
3. MyBrowserTask calls OpenLibrary("libs/EmailPlugin.library", 1L)
4. Exec returns the library base of the EmailPlugin.library relative to MyMessengerTask, not the EmailPlugin.library relative to MyBrowserTask

MyMessengerTask and MyBrowserTask probably have totally different plug-in formats. Guru city. Sound correct? It's a nasty little race condition.

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@Trev

Of course library names must be unique. You can not have two plugins with the same name but different interfaces.

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