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Can you all get back on topic ? If anybody even remembers what it was in the first place.

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O.k., I will say something on-topic.



My suggestion: Hyperion has ported AmigaOS4 to a PPC-device, we don´t know so far. Maybe a new netbook or PDA.

Maybe not realistic, but I would really like to see AmigaOS4 on a mobile device (and on a more powerful PPC-system, too).

A ARM-port (if this port is really much simpler than a x86-port) is a good option, too. (Cheap ARM-netbooks!).

Or they will buy Amiga Inc.!

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Arm already has Linux, Symbian, WebOS, WinCE. How is OS4 going to compete with these ?

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Arm already has Linux, Symbian, WebOS, WinCE.

And Android (I know that's covered by "Linux")

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And Android (I know that's covered by "Linux")

Indeed. And iphoneOS, but it's stick to Apple hardware.

All these OSs have got a JAVA port, which means have access to a lot of applications/libraries which OS4 doesn't have. So I'm really curious...

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@Leo:
That´s not the question, because AmigaOS4.1 as desktop-OS has already to compete with Windows, MacOS, Linux and... (and I use it anyway with my SAMflex) .

A handheld-device like a netbook has not to be AmigaOS4-only, but when AmigaOS4.1 will run on a new cheap PPC-based notebook (and the port is simple to make), the user-base will grow (i would like to buy such a device, if AmigaOS4.1 is available for it),

I am not going to say; "Let´s do an ARM-port!" in general, but the problem is, that there are not very much new PPC-netbooks around (the only one i know is the Limebook), but there should be cheap ARM-netbooks in the near future.

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@Leo: That´s not the question, because AmigaOS4.1 as desktop-OS has already to compete with Windows, MacOS, Linux and... (and I use it anyway with my SAMflex) .

Well, you are all arguing that going x86 (or anything else), is a problem because OS4 would face competition. So go ARM instead.

What I'm saying is that it's the same on ARM. So why going ARM instead ? How OS4 would have more ability to face competition in ARM ? I'm wondering...

Yes, there probably will be cheap ARM notebooks, capable of running OpenOffice, Thunderbird,... through Linux. Not to mention all software base available in Linux. So what advantage would OS4 have over Linux ?

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Leo wrote: Well, you are all arguing that going x86 (or anything else), is a problem because OS4 would face competition. So go ARM instead.

Um, no. We're not all arguing that x86 would be a problem because of increased competition. Also, a moderator has asked that people get back on topic.

To be honest, I think that this thread passed its used by date days ago.

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Please, close this topic...where is Hyperion ambitious project in most messages ?

@Hyperionmp

I have no idea why a software company like yours would make a negative statement about American products that are not even in your field. Not the best marketing move.

As somebody that has been on the fence to buy a new Amiga, I am very dissapointed with your statement.

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It was a joke, obviously.

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@kirka

Cool down, I'm sure it was a joke

In general though I don't think American cars are very popular i Europe. Our gas prices are much higher than yours and many American cars are just to big and expensive to drive.

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I have to say that I am tempted to start a new thread, but I suspect it would get derailed again... Only final thing I will say about off-topic is PLEASE don't feed trolls (and other people who show a repeated pattern of disrespecting & not listening to different opinions.)

(Back on topic) I am surprised that no-one has yet suggested that Hyperion is working on a 3D API to replace Warp3D. This has also been mooted for a long time (in fact for almost as long as OS4 has been around). If they did this, then maybe they'd start/finish some of those 3D game ports they never did (e.g. Sin), assuming the licenses have not yet expired.

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Are you thinking something entirely new or a more comprehensive port of Mesa? Whatever it is, let's hope the DDK and SDK are open. Picasso96 is a little long in the tooth, so they could be replacing the entire graphics subsystem.

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A new workbench?

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Hyperion (or the brothers anyway) have made it quite clear that they will NOT create a new API from scratch, but would base it on Mesa/OpenGL. I think they have said current Mesa port is very inefficient because it translates stuff into Warp3D calls first.

@Dirk-B
Another good suggestion! Someone needs to get one of the Frieden brothers very drunk, to find out what the big secret is It probably won't be what we expect, so we'll be hugely disappointed & also surprised & happy at the same time!

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Yet another?

I would rather see co-operation with Ambient or Wanderer developers etc.

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Hyperion (or the brothers anyway) have made it quite clear that they will NOT create a new API from scratch

That troubles me (see my previous posts re: innovation), but it makes sense to stick with something that's well supported within the industry. Making OpenGL the native interface might be interesting, as long as it remains open (it's in the name, after all) and extensible.

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