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Re: SamFlex Graphic Glitches Posted on 21-Jun-2009 9:40:41
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I don't remember a problem related to these 2 kmods but they are both enabled here without noticeable problem. _________________ Philippe 'Elwood' Ferrucci Sam460 1.10 Ghz AmigaOS 4 betatester Amiga Translator Organisation |
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Re: SamFlex Graphic Glitches Posted on 21-Jun-2009 11:07:14
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IIRC Joerg once said that were some issues between the caching system of SFS and FFS
; Basic filesystems and related modules ; MODULE Kickstart/CDFileSystem MODULE Kickstart/diskboot.config MODULE Kickstart/diskboot.kmod ;MODULE Kickstart/FastFileSystem ;MODULE Kickstart/FileSystem.resource.kmod ; ; More filesystems and related modules ; MODULE Kickstart/diskcache.library.kmod MODULE Kickstart/SmartFileSystem
if used both onto the same system.
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I have just looked at my system (A1G3 running 4.1) and although I have both MODULE Kickstart/FileSystem.resource.kmod and MODULE Kickstart/diskcache.library.kmod enabled, I do not have the following :-
;MODULE Kickstart/FastFileSystem MODULE Kickstart/SmartFileSystem
Is this just a SamFLEX thing? _________________ Peter Swallow. A1XEG3-800 [IBM 750FX PowerPC], running OS4.1FE, using ac97 onboard sound.
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Re: SamFlex Graphic Glitches Posted on 21-Jun-2009 12:25:12
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thats mine AOS4 for classic modules so probably not present in a not classic enviroment
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Re: SamFlex Graphic Glitches Posted on 21-Jun-2009 12:26:24
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elwood wrote: @Framiga
I don't remember a problem related to these 2 kmods but they are both enabled here without noticeable problem. |
enabled ok but have you a mixed SFS / FFS partitions onto your system?
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Re: SamFlex Graphic Glitches Posted on 21-Jun-2009 19:37:23
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| @Barret Actually, I spoke too soon. Once I raised the priority on my SFS boot partition so that I could boot from it directly, the graphics corruption returned. It only worked when I booted from my original partition and then rebooted to the SFS partition. If your setup is working as it is, I would leave it alone for now. After hours of testing, I discovered that it was the preboot screen that was eliminating the corruption. If I boot the system, then reboot and hold down the ScrollLock (Help) key to bring up the preboot screen, continuing the boot process from that screen eliminates the graphics corruption. It doesn't make any sense but that's whats happening on my system.
Did the Debian installation result in a preboot screen to select whether to boot from Debian or OS4? If so, that may be why your problem is cured. Either that or it's the way you're booting from one partition and finishing the boot from another. Right now I'm off to D/L the Hyperion update to see if that helps at all.
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Re: SamFlex Graphic Glitches Posted on 21-Jun-2009 22:30:33
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| @Barret I just installed the quickfix from Hyperion and my 1GB graphics corruption (randomly located small black dots) appears to be fixed.
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Re: SamFlex Graphic Glitches Posted on 22-Jun-2009 0:18:25
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My system is working great so far too. Thanks again Acube-Hyperion!
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Re: SamFlex Graphic Glitches Posted on 22-Jun-2009 8:52:57
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| My turn now :)
I have a SAM440EP 667mhz (non-flex) * Had no graphics corruption at all, and working beautifully * Downloaded and installed the 53.3 updates - all good * Downloaded and installed the 53.8 updates today, and got consistent red lines showing in a tiled pattern in windows after opening them including RAM, HD, and CD. Didn't notice any other corruption * Read this thread and tinkered with WBPattern settings * After changing dither quality to best the lines dissappeared, but reappeared after reboot * Left dither quality on best and changed layout from tile to scale well * Red lines dissapeared and haven't reappeared after a reboot
So, at the moment, all good. I hope this helps sort the problem out that others are having :)
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Re: SamFlex Graphic Glitches Posted on 22-Jun-2009 10:37:27
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| @bernd_afa Quote:
yes great, when acube say linux work, then it should work on all systems they sell and all components user use ?.have they all test, every board and components ? (snip) |
ACube have already confirmed that they know of the problem with OS4, and that they have no problem under Linux, therefore your objection is invalid. The suggestion about using Linux to test user's Sam440s was simply to help reassure those worried users that they do not have faulty hardware._________________ Author of the PortablE programming language. It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue... |
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Re: SamFlex Graphic Glitches Posted on 22-Jun-2009 10:45:22
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| @aSTRAL Your complaint/post is in the wrong place. Problems caused by the latest OS4 update should be in the OS4 update news item. Also, this thread is for FLEX problems only. _________________ Author of the PortablE programming language. It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue... |
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Re: SamFlex Graphic Glitches Posted on 24-Jun-2009 17:17:11
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| @Barret I think I spoke too soon. Even though the WorkBench graphics corruption (in the form of small black spots) is gone since installing the Quickfix, I now have graphics corruption in the OS4 splash screen under certain circumstances. If I boot with 512MB memory installed, there are 2 small areas of graphics corruption in the top third of the splash window. If I boot with 1GB memory installed that corruption doesn't appear. If I reboot and hold down the Help (Scroll Lock) key to enter the early boot screen, I get massive graphics corruption in the OS4 splash screen after I select "Boot" in the early boot screen. Can you give this a try and see if you get this too??
Hmmm. I just noticed that the 800MZ Sam Flex is out of production. Where does that leave us?
Last edited by Xenic on 25-Jun-2009 at 12:19 AM. Last edited by Xenic on 24-Jun-2009 at 05:18 PM.
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Re: SamFlex Graphic Glitches Posted on 25-Jun-2009 1:13:21
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| @Barret I hope you haven't deserted me here. I'd like to know if I'm alone with the new graphics corruption I've noticed on my SAM Flex.
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Re: SamFlex Graphic Glitches Posted on 25-Jun-2009 3:48:15
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My system works great so far (667 Mhz). I tried the early boot menu, ect, and no problems. I still have a separate Kickstart partition with Parthenope though. My Flex is moving into it's final home so it will be down for a day or so. It's going to spend the rest of it's days in an Antec NSK3480 Last edited by Barret on 25-Jun-2009 at 03:54 AM. Last edited by Barret on 25-Jun-2009 at 03:49 AM.
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Re: SamFlex Graphic Glitches Posted on 25-Jun-2009 11:08:53
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The screenblanker now seems to work without freezing the computer.
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Re: SamFlex Graphic Glitches Posted on 25-Jun-2009 15:28:31
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| @Spectre660 I never could confirm that screenblanker was the source of any of my problems but maybe it was a matter of settings for that. By the way, where did you get your SB Live?
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Re: SamFlex Graphic Glitches Posted on 25-Jun-2009 15:41:01
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I never could confirm that screenblanker was the source of any of my problems |
I have one of those odd Micros without issues. Heh. But then again, I don't have screenblanker running -ever-. It has been mentioned in threads that certain programs are known to affect screenblanker. If this is accurate, then you can either ditch it, or install Blitzblanker, as another user without issues suggested after OS4 final was released. I'm not saying this is your issue, but maybe worth a look.
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Re: SamFlex Graphic Glitches Posted on 25-Jun-2009 16:02:37
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| @number6 Quote:
I have one of those odd Micros without issues. |
I have some freeze problems on my Micro but I've been so focused on getting my SAM working better that I haven't yet reconnected the Micro to install the Quickfix. When I get get back to the Micro I may also try some of the CPU adjustments that have been suggested (lower voltage?). In the meantime I may disable the screenblanker again on my SAM to see if it has any effect.
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Re: SamFlex Graphic Glitches Posted on 25-Jun-2009 16:18:33
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When I get get back to the Micro I may also try some of the CPU adjustments that have been suggested (lower voltage?). |
Possible. Pure stability issues are often related to core voltage. Sundown, as an engineer, knows this better than I. Basically, anything written in the manuals can be incorrect, since many different lots of parts were involved over the lifespan of the A1 project. Each lot basically could have it's own set of tolerances, making a universal # for vcore that works for all people to be impossible.
Also, let's look at a few quotes from those we trust from after OS4 final days: DaveAE: Quote:
USB+HD (even on sii0680) can cause irq loss and freezes. |
Now let's add something about the Micro "fixes": Quote:
The microA1 has extra logic which makes VIA IDE work with DMA but can cause heavily delayed IRQ's. |
Now lets put this together with what Tetisoft said: Quote:
I never had USB working reliable with my hardware but your observation seems to match those from others. It was e.g. reported that USB runs out of sync when something crashed and GrimReaper disables multitasking before it pops up.
On my A4k I'm wondering myself since lots of years why the modem transfer lights during download/upload go off for a while when switching screens with P96. That doesnt happen with CGFX. Maybe the P96 screen switching disables multitasking for a too long perid of time so the USB drivers miss interrupts or signals from their interrupt handlers to their tasks. The exec autodoc still says "Disabling interrupts for more than ~250 microseconds will prevent vital system functions (especially serial I/0) from operating in a normal fashion."
My USB mouse wants to be queried in an interrupt every 10 milliseconds. An USB frame lasts 1 millisecond. It should not be much of a problem when a frame is missed occasionaly, but I dont think missing dozends of frames at once makes USB more stable. Yes, the bulk transfer method used by USB massstorage drives doesnt guarantee delivery times, but the driver WILL give up when a transfer failed often enough, it doesnt use unlimited retries.
Test results from users about screen switching during USB transfer and from experts about the maximum duration of Disable() (and also Forbid(), it doesnt help when the interrupt can signal a task but the task is not scheduled) are welcome... |
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Note once again that I am using OS4 final+July update, so I have no way to determine if any of this was addressed on OS4.1. And obviously, this might apply to your Micro, but not your SAM. And before anyone screams about articia again, this is all about VIA686B, and interaction between articia and VIA...not articia alone.
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Re: SamFlex Graphic Glitches Posted on 25-Jun-2009 17:25:18
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By the way, where did you get your SB Live? |
I got it years ago in a Prebuilt Amithlon Pc System from Computer Hut. (2001 or so) Just poped it out of one of my PC's two weeks ago and reliazed that it was a dual 3.3v & 5 volt card. The sam flex will not boot unless it is installed in the last PCI slot .....
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Re: SamFlex Graphic Glitches Posted on 26-Jun-2009 0:55:33
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Note once again that I am using OS4 final+July update, so I have no way to determine if any of this was addressed on OS4.1. |
I tried to tell people on the OS4 ML that it might be more than a coincidence that reports of daily system freezes and other problems started when OS 4.1 was released for A1/µA1 but some refuse to see any connection. Right now, if I avoid certain programs on my SAM (OS 4.1) I seem to be relatively freeze free. However, there are other problems like the splash window graphics corruption, compiler crashing in "cc1" with latest SDK and ram: that locks up WorkBench if I copy more than 400MB of files to it (on a 1GB system). If I can clear up some more problems, I may reconnect the µA1 and reinstall OS4Final to check stability for a couple of weeks._________________ X1000 with 2GB memory & OS4.1FE |
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