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AmigaOS 4 isn't 100% compatible with AmigaOS 3

I suppose it's just as compatible with OS3.x as MorphOS is. They both run the code using 68k emulator.

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MorphOS is not compatible with AmigaOS because you can't run program compiled for MorphOS on AmigaOS.

PlayStation2 is compatible with PlayStation, although you can't run PlayStation 2 games on PlayStation. It's called backward compatibility, when newer software/hardware is compatible with older software/hadware, yet older one is noc compatible with newer one.

Compatibility doesn't have to work in both directions.

@damocles

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Problem is, you get less then 5% of those will actually take money out of their pocket to buy the hardware. I ran a poll years ago before I formed Black Troll Technology for AROS. I had nearly 300 people state they were interested and I sure didn't get anything close to that so I'm going high end with 5%. If he wants to sell 500, he better look at a minimum of 10,000 responses.

You aren't the best example, really. AROS does not do most thing Amiga users want to do. If I wanted to spend my days looking at a cute mouse pointer and AmigaOS window borders running 3-4 applications I'd be using it. Simple as that. The reality is, MorphOS, AmigaOS4. even AmigaOS3.x to some extent, can be quite fun to use to run applications that do things that people would probably think to be impossible on anything Amiga related. They don't do miracles and they aren't ready to compete with the OS's today but they are about one trillion times more useful than vanilla AROS.

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@GumBoy

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Compatibility doesn't have to work in both directions.

In fact it hardly ever does in the computing industry.

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@feanor

I think it can be honestly said that for price/performance the limited market of the PowerPC processor can not match X86. Having said that many of us have used technology such as the Amiga and Atari Falcon to where we should know better than anyone the power of a system does not depend on the cpu alone but a total system design. Coprocessors and Digital Signal Processors can make a system much more usable than any cpu alone. Having a $20 24bit Freescale DSP for Audio would greatly reduce cpu load and increase price/performance, as would other DSP's for other Specific tasks, couple that with any PowerPC cpu and you have a cost effecitve very powerful system. I would be very interested in such a design and more willing to spend the money. Value added is the key in a small market especially in considering price vs performance.

@Zardoz

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You aren't the best example, really. AROS does not do most thing Amiga users want to do. If I wanted to spend my days looking at a cute mouse pointer and AmigaOS window borders running 3-4 applications I'd be using it. Simple as that. The reality is, MorphOS, AmigaOS4. even AmigaOS3.x to some extent, can be quite fun to use to run applications that do things that people would probably think to be impossible on anything Amiga related. They don't do miracles and they aren't ready to compete with the OS's today but they are about one trillion times more useful than vanilla AROS.

I agree that AROS has come a long way since then especially with the browser and email client and ICAROS makes it very good impression, if not more so when UAE integration is finished.

Point is, people will say one thing but when it comes to laying out cold hard cash, your not going to see anything close to 10% and in this awful economy, I'm betting it will be closer to 1%-2% if not lower. Add in there is no official support from either MOS nor Hyperion, I can't see people buying out of Cargo Cult practices either.

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@damocles

Oh yes, I am certain the percentage won't be as high as anyone would hope but I'm just saying it will be higher than of an x86 board to run AROS. Even if we ignore all the other reasons, most people already have an x86 board that can run AROS.

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@feanor

I would still recommend asking in Linux communities for intrested people, you might find more potential customers there than you will find here.

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AmigaONE. Haha. Just because you can put label on it does not make it Amiga.

I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

@Zardoz

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Quote: I had nearly 300 people state they were interested and I sure didn't get anything close to that so I'm going high end with 5%. If he wants to sell 500, he better look at a minimum of 10,000 responses. You aren't the best example, really. AROS does not ...

This has nothing to do with AROS, if I got 300 people showing interest to buy a board I would think they I could count them as customers.

I am shure, when AOS4 was announced there where more than 10000 potential customers, everyone (with a brain) knew it will be a long way until a usefull product will be available, but when they got offered the new Amiga only few people bought it. 'Amiga Inc./Hyperion/Eyetech' or 'Morphos/Genesi/Bplan' they all calculated their business for more customers. And even Amithlon was not as successful as it coul have been.

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AmigaONE. Haha. Just because you can put label on it does not make it Amiga.

I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

@Arko

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I am shure, when AOS4 was announced there where more than 10000 potential customers, everyone (with a brain) knew it will be a long way until a usefull product will be available, but when they got offered the new Amiga only few people bought it. 'Amiga Inc./Hyperion/Eyetech' or 'Morphos/Genesi/Bplan' they all calculated their business for more customers.

Pegasos was sold to Linux community but it is not really better then Amiga market.

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And even Amithlon was not as successful as it coul have been.

Unfortunately it interfered with Hyperion's business interests.

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Unfortunately it interfered with Hyperion's business interests.

I think we will progress the day we'll stop talking about something that has been dead for 10-15 years in the Amiga: "business"...

There's no money to be made. And still, people act as if we were in 1985 and the Amiga was worth so much money... protecting their "interest", hiding all source code, not communicating about their developments,...

In some areas, even Apple, one of the most secretive company out there, is less secretive than them... Difference is that Apple has some reasons for that.

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@itix
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Unfortunately it interfered with Hyperion's business interests.

Amithlon was not unique, others could have tried to use the UAE code together with a BSD or Linux kernel for a 'Bmithlon' or a 'Cmithlon'. If there would have been enough people interested, we now would have a lot of Amithlon like systems around. You can't stop a good idea.

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AmigaONE. Haha. Just because you can put label on it does not make it Amiga.

I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

@Arko

Umisef could probably explain you better why Umilator was not released, I think that one of the biggest responsibles of that was Harald Frank using mafia-like phone calls to any people in contact with Umisef to scare them away.

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@Crumb
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Umisef could probably explain you better why Umilator was not released

IMR there where contracts that bound Bernie ... but if I write about Amothlon clones I don’t means they have to use any Amithlon source.
The old Amithlon IMR still needed AOS3 , today I would suggest a AROS port to 68k on top of an UAE without hardware emulation.
But it would need 50000 Euros paying programmers doing this, that might be the main problem I would never get 2000 customers for it.

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AmigaONE. Haha. Just because you can put label on it does not make it Amiga.

I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

Amiga, at this time, is naught more than a hobby. This thread is about that hobby.

Feanor is not a company looking to increase his sales of top secret hardware to
unsuspecting people with an interest in a now obscure OS. He is looking to see
if there is interest in motherboard that he has an interest in
building and wants to know if we have an interest in supporting his project if
it will run OS4.

Yes? Then go back to page 1 of this thread and simply send an email to him.
Forget about the price, because until the feature set is nailed down price
cannot be determined. We are not the only group he is asking.

No?

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@Mechanic: I don't know if I'm nuts but you seem to be blind...

This was an answer to that, not directly to the thread's subject:

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Unfortunately it interfered with Hyperion's business interests.

Nothing to do with Feanor.

I suggest you go back to http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=29594&start=240&post_id=510505&order=0&viewmode=flat&pid=510501&forum=33#510457 and stop calling people "nuts"...

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@feanor

Thank you.

What would be your goal for this board:

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move to ARM and focus on a CortexA9 board

if that was the direction you ended up taking in the end?

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@fairlanefastback

same as with ppc, only with ARM and sans AmigaOS/MorphOS. That will probably cheaper than all ppc options I mentioned though. But it will also take as long as the P1022 would.

@feanor

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That will probably cheaper than all ppc options I mentioned though. But it will also take as long as the P1022 would.

I reckon you could do it a lot sooner. I'd be a lot more interested in something like this running Haiku.

I think I know a few others who might be interested as well... I'll send an email.

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@Arko

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If there would have been enough people interested, we now would have a lot of Amithlon like systems around. You can't stop a good idea.

Amiga Inc can if they dont give you a license. Using AROS is/was not solution either unless you are prepared for hard work. Back then everyone was developing OS4 or MorphOS and fighting for few remaining developers.

Then there was that many protested heavily against Amithlon because it was x86. In other words it has been big mess since 1994 and Amithlon was just a glitch in the Matrix.

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