@ChrisH

I havent bothered with the debug kernel and I seem to be fine, apart from the one glitch mentioned earlier.

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I'll draw his attention to your post.That's all I can do.#6

Someone have another mail for ANR author (ultragelb). His gmx account bounced my mail.

It's often the same for gmx acount users (bernd, tbockel,...).

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@cope

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Is switching to the debug kernnel true for the XEG4?

Simple answer, no, stick with the normal kernel.

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@Cool_amigaN

I've had similar feelings and experiences.

re-starting Amigahobby with AOS4 is same way challenging than it was with AOS3.9, many years ago.

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@sundown
Yes. Only Sam's seem to have problems with the normal kernel, so only they should switch to the debug kernel.

Of course, the next update for OS4.1 should fix the Sam440 problem with the normal kernel.

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4GB + 4 cores for just to hear "tada" in 30 seconds with vista, LOL!

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@thread

If there is some ultimate quide for SAM&AOS4.1 beginners, please inform.
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=28729&start=0&post_id=513193&order=0&viewmode=flat&pid=495489&forum=14#513193

To me it seems there is also some room for a "how to report bugs on AOS system" -manual for newish users.
Does it exist already?

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@sundown

Thanks for the info. I was tempted because I am having some strange stuff happening. Noteit worked for years and not immediately after the update but recently it does not load the file and freezes. Only thing changed was lower from 32 bit to 16 bit screen. I have not tried switching back.
Ibrowse crashed and corrupted the Cashe which I have as a separate partition. I reformatted and now the UBoot stalls saying it can not find the kernal, but it boots fine after hitting any key.
Weird.
I am at the local coffee shop using the highspeed and laptop, but I have resolved to not use the A1 until the update comes.
Thanks again,
John Paul

@cope

UBOOT:

sound like it tries to boot from CDROM or some other harddrive,
check UBOOT boot order.

press ESC a few times, and then type menu and then press enter.

And check DMA settings most be off on none fixed via686b.

you can do this from "uboot prefs"

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The only thing that bothers me with Hyperion actually is the lack of open communication with the current OS4.x users. Bug reports are there for the developer to know what should improve and correct BUT there has to be A WAY for users to report any problems and of course there should be at least A WEBPAGE that gathers all the useful info and bug reports. Neither has happened so far. The same problems i had with my OS4 Classic Setup and had to beg for help from other fellow amigans. I think this is the serious problem and if only Hyperion had done at least that today i'm sure that every single OS4.x user would be facing only minor problems. Last but not least, bug reporting through forums has never been straightforward and of course not a professional way to go for any soft./hard. developer.

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@portarinos

They just do not come here because of too much trolling,

if you need help from Hyperion send a email, or ask on Amigans.net i know they read that forum, as its not infected yet.

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@cope

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cope wrote: @sundown Thanks for the info. I was tempted because I am having some strange stuff happening. Noteit worked for years and not immediately after the update but recently it does not load the file and freezes. Only thing changed was lower from 32 bit to 16 bit screen. I have not tried switching back. Ibrowse crashed and corrupted the Cashe which I have as a separate partition. I reformatted and now the UBoot stalls saying it can not find the kernal, but it boots fine after hitting any key. Weird. I am at the local coffee shop using the highspeed and laptop, but I have resolved to not use the A1 until the update comes. Thanks again, John Paul

Sounds to me like a hard drive fault.

@NutsAboutAmiga

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They just quest comping here because of too much trolling, if need help from Hyperion send a email, or ask on Amigans.net i know they read that forum, as its not infected yet.

Amigaworld.net is a great site, I don't see evil trolls attacking anybody in this thread (that would be an easy target). In this thread a member has stated he has certain problems and others have offered their help. When certain problem becomes evident (lack of an user mailing list or address for technical support) you prefer to try to change the attention of the readers claiming that "amigaworld.net" is bad-bad-bad and other sites are wonderful.

My 2 cents: if you are not happy here, it's easy to change the URL of your browser.

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@Crumb

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I don't see evil trolls attacking anybody in this thread

Yes thank good that not every thread is attacked by evil trolls.

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My 2 cents: if you are not happy here, it's easy to change the URL of your browser.

Don't worry about me, I like it her.

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@Crumb
Rogue replies at Amigans.net more often than here there must be a reason...

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@DAX

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DAX wrote: @Crumb Rogue replies at Amigans.net more often than here there must be a reason...

If you *really* don't have any idea as to why, why don't you just ask him yourself privately instead of feeding the unnecessary drama?

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@fairlanefastback
I know why sadly

It cannot be denied that there are 3 members on this board (in over 3000 subscribers) that "jump in" every thread about AOS4.1 or SAMS to discourage anyone about their adoption.

I don't think that the continuous "hard work" of the aforementioned individuals is something tolerable when you spend your life on those very projects.

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@NutsAboutAmiga & DAX (and all really)

This is how bullcrap starts.

portarinos does not even mention this site.

But someone takes the leap to remind everyone on where Rogue is seemingly more comfortable when the post from portarinos was not about that.

The post from portarinos was about why he thinks Hyperion needs a webpage to report issues, basically a more formalized way to pass on that info to them.

But folks can't resist stretching things into raking up an unfortunate issue for us here.

Guess what, its not helping, its hurting.

If almost every thread is destined to become a train wreck of going off-topic and going to the same old wounds its really not good for anyone.

I've been working very hard to shepard things to stay relatively on topic, especially lately,

You all want it to be a better community on this board and in general for the Amiga community? Well it starts with all of us. Every single person. Its about time we started to act like the grown-ups we all are. Help a brother out, help yourselves out. Stop picking scabs and taking pot shots. Stay on topic. If you want to go far off topic make a new thread. But make worthwhile threads.

The way to get Rogue back on here more is to all help to make the board this (from TOS):

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Help keep our forums clean, and a cut above the rest.

This was not putting us a cut above the rest.

No public discussion on this, my hope is rather people will just take it to heart and say "what can I do better", or "what can I do to help with quality content". Feel free to PM me of course though

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@fairlanefastback
I agree with 100% of what you just wrote.

As per post 76 I must say that although it is difficult to stay on topic when there are people that change every subject into: "don't adopt that stinking pile of overpriced cr*p" I will try my best.

If you look at all my posts, i generally am ehtusiastic about a particular camp, I also defend it (and some time I retaliate, I will admit that) but NEVER go "party pooping" in other camps threads, for the sake of it.

Who pays these guys to denigrate others hard work? (they can't be for real).

Anyway I won't become the troll myself, continuous defamation attempts and ULTRA strong push against the adoption of a particular camp (for no particular reason, and my jugement meter will be the thread title itself), will be reported on my part from now on (instead of feeding the fire).

Hope the others will do the same...

P.S.
I will go now an erase another post of mine (in another thread) that could feed a fire...

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@Cool_amigaN

* sniff, sniff * That is the most beautiful story I have ever heard!! I cannot even put it in words as you have put it!! Bravo! Bravo! Bravo!

@fairlanefastback

This is how bullcrap starts.

I know, and I ignore the “bullcap” in my response to Mr. X.

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portarinos does not even mention this site. But someone takes the leap to remind everyone on where Rogue is seemingly more comfortable when the post from portarinos was not about that.

portarinos wrote: The only thing that bothers me with Hyperion actually is the lack of open communication with the current OS4.x users.

This what I responded to, and I don't agree whit it, I think Hyperion are where good at communicating whit the users, and they are active in the forums.

As for the 2en part of portarinos post I do agree whit, I also think a FAQ or some kind knowledge base might be where good help for users; we have a unofficial one: Intuitionbase, (1) not many know about it, (2) its not up to date whit Sam440 models.

But finally its not me who has to decide but Hyperion, its Hyperion that has to maintain the knowledge base, and that takes time, just like moderating this forum you need some one to do it, so it costs money.

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But folks can't resist stretching things into raking up an unfortunate issue for us here.

It's maybe a “unfortunate issue” but hiding it does not help.

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If almost every thread is destined to become a train wreck of going off-topic and going to the same old wounds its really not good for anyone.

Thats because some always need to make treads in to "my _peep_ is larger then yours contest" between the camps, they write some thing that incorrect untrue or simply some they know will become a flame bate, I get the impression that the flame bates are ignored as long as Mr. X does not say bad thing about Mr. Y, so theoretically at least possible to have constructive debate, while thread is going off topic.

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I've been working very hard to shepard things to stay relatively on topic, especially lately,

The problem is flame bates, posted inserted in to topics to create irritation, because no matter what the statements are untrue, the posts are cleverly designed for disinformation, you might try to correct it but next day, the same disinformation is back, I think the idea is to under mind or discredit, the flame bate is not abusive, threatening, sarcastic, rude. So its a balancing act on the TOS.

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You all want it to be a better community on this board and in general for the Amiga community? Well it starts with all of us. Every single person. Its about time we started to act like the grown-ups we all are. Help a brother out, help yourselves out. Stop picking scabs and taking pot shots. Stay on topic. If you want to go far off topic make a new thread. But make worthwhile threads.

Well I agree whit that, but I don't won't disinformation to be spread.

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The way to get Rogue back on here more is to all help to make the board this (from TOS):

Rogue will come back when the flame bates goes away.

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