But this is the REALLY interesting part:

Of all the things promised to ship last year, and not shipped, AmigaOS4, is on the Top Ten of one of the world's leading tech magazines. Apprently we're more sorely missed than Fossil, a very 'hip' watch brand not shipping something it promised.

Think about that.

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Jeffimix wrote: But this is the REALLY interesting part: Of all the things promised to ship last year, and not shipped, AmigaOS4, is on the Top Ten of one of the world's leading tech magazines. Apprently we're more sorely missed than Fossil, a very 'hip' watch brand not shipping something it promised. Think about that.

Exactly.

Which was more anticipated: AmigaOS4 or MorphOS?

AmigaOS4 of course, hence you see it on the vaporware list.

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this is called vapor because you cannot buy it. It was on the list last year too.

Just like other products, like Doom III, which are real products, that you cannot buy, are on the list.

Its impressive this made the list, as it shows some interest in OS 4.

I wouldn't worry about the negative light it is being put in. That light is accurate, because the product has not been released. When its released, and not any amount of adverstisements, tours, pre-sales, and pictures will make it less than vapor.

Has to go on sale.

I do look forward to that day, but who knows when it will be.

Yes but they mention something about people sending in votes on the first page... :)

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Nate's opinion, like it or not, is now tied to Genesi. Just like my opinion is tied to Hyperion and Amiga Inc. because I am a beta tester. If I say something about AmigaOS 4.0 or MorphOS, I would expect others to question my sincerity. No, it's not fair.

When you are employed by a company you have a certain responsability. He makes the competition look bad as well as his employing company.

Talking about fair:

Here's an example of the way Nate goes to work:

Nate in reply to me at Slashdot:

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And you also forget, Exec *IS NOT A KERNEL*. It is an executive library, while having kernel-like functions it is not labelled as a proper kernel except by sychophants that try and beef up what AmigaOS is.

MikeB:

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Carl Sassenrath seems to think [technetcast.com] otherwise: "So, I came up with what I guess was one of the very first micro-kernel designs for a multitasking kernel." > except by sychophants that try and beef up > what AmigaOS is. What a way to speak of Carl Sassenrath... IMO the man is a genius. :)

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Calling Sassenrath a god, when on other posts you go on and on about how his work is obsolete and not worth bothering with? Dissing his work on Rebol to post endless reams on AmigaDE which does the same job?

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Nonesense, I think that Carl is great and that REBOL is great. (Note that a link to REBOL Technologies's homepage resides on my favorite Amiga links at my AmigaRing). Please give me some links to your wild claims. BTW REBOL is also available for the AmigaDE.

Talking about fair. Is making up such things fair?

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IanS wrote: @Mikey Ok, I see your point. However, it might be wise to edit your post before the usual suspects find it!

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To pin this article solely on Nate Downes is lame.. you seriously think Wired would publish on the list of 10 the comments of only one person?

Your post doesn't really surprise me. To be honest, I don't mind being on this list, especially if you look at the company there (Half-Life 2 for example).

I find it strange, though, that the comment they have on AmigaOS comes from an employee of a direct competitor. I think my chances of being asked for an unbiased opinion about MorphOS are rather slim.

But let's even forget that. Just look at the text:

- "Still vapor in the extreme"

No, it isn't. We have beta testers working on it, we are working on the beta release CD for the public beta, so no, it's no vapor, it's just not out there. "Extreme" would point to the fact that work hasn't even started yet.

- "They have resorted to demos"

No, we have not "resorted" to demos. That sounds similar like Genesi have "resorted" to a public beta version. It's not like for example Bioware didn't demonstrate Neverwinter Niights on E3 before its release. I don't think Nate would have said that they "resorted" to demonstrating.

- "a pre-alpha version"

No, quite wrong. Although the definition of "Alpha" and "Beta" version is more than a bit hazy, I do consider our version to be a Beta version.

- "running on a Mai reference motherboard"

Wrong again. It was running on an AmigaOne, a production-level mainboard that has sold much more units than a "reference" mainboard which is usually produced in very low (two-digit) quantities. With this sort of definition, the Pegasos (any number) is a reference mainboard, too.

- "with hopes and dreams of it shipping by the end of the month"

I don't think that Mr Downes actually knows anything about our schedule.

- "They always fail to mention which month."

No. There was no "end of the month" announcement. It was more or less leaked that we would try to get the developer version out by December, as much as it did leak that we intent to get it out by end of January now, but there is no announcement of any sort that lists "by the end of the month".

Bottom line, no one is pinning this article on Downix. We deserve to be on that list, and like I said before the fact that we are on this list means that there is a certain interest out there for OS 4. However, Downix comment is not only inappropriate for someone working for a direct competitor, it is also downright wrong. In fact, it has factual errors all over.

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i am sure this is not the last "attempt to destroy the competetion" so i really dont know why we get so upset , we all know how bad pegasos fans can be, after all the majority of em used to be amiga fanatics , hence we are some mean lean trolling machine's ..

anyway i would like to know why morphos aint on that list , as you surely cannot BUY morphos either + the legendary "finished" powerup version of 1.x supposedly should have come 2 years ago according to them blue ones.

i for sure know what they attempt to do but i really dont see why they want to spoil themself by telling everyone about OS4 all the time , it would be like microsoft had APPLE commercials in windows.

ah well i am sure they do it so they can get the name :P

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I didn't find the actual listing of OS4 offensive, a good bit of publicity there methinks.

Nate Downes taking a pop...well did we really expect anything less?

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Mai Logic team who have never seen or used even an A1200!

And I guess you know the entire Mai Logic hardware team? I'm impressed, even I cannot make such a claim.

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I just posted to the Wired website. You all should post also. When the see the big responce to the misinformation posted by the competitor they might just take notice.

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@Mikey Ok, I see your point. However, it might be wise to edit your post before the usual suspects find it!

I understand your stand point IanS, However be that as it may, the "Usual Suspects" Now know how the VAST majority of Amigaworld members feel about the afore mentioned "Usual Suspects"
- So in short, if they step out of line, Myself and my fellow Amigaworld moderators will be only to happy to remove their inflamatory posts.

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Vaporware = Something which is "just hot air" (== "vapor"), meaning there is nothing behind it, meaning it will never appear.

AmigaOS 4 even had lots of public showings, so it cannot be vaporware.

If it is available to the public does not matter for the question if something is vaporware or not.

Steffen

evilFrog and another poster make the same valid point.

Just as trolling has backfired this will backfire, this is the begining of some important free publicity.

As soon as the prerelease is out - Wired should get it and a machine to review, along with as much techspec as can be shipped, all past press releases, all copies of the Amiga Club magazine -- eg the works.

To be amongst the ten most eagerly awaited products for two years running is not I think a bad thing (despite the title of the list), the fact that the quote used is so accusative also works in our favour -- as this morally obliges Wired to review OS4 when they can.

The timing is perfect, if we can get a release before the next issue it allows for a new announcement and possibly a substantial review in the issue after that.

Alls well that ends well.

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Personally I have no problems with Wired ranking Amiga products within their list.

Me neither, but, they could check the facts a little.

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I do think Nate deserves criticism for his repeating never ending trolling against rival projects. He has made false claims on multiple occasions on OSNews and Slashdot, sometimes even as if he was an official AmigaOS4 spokesman, so this is not at all an incident.

This is standard operating procedure at genesi

Last time I saw a demo of a pegasos by a genesi rep, it was pathetic. Very little was said of their product, most of the pitch was little more than slagging Amiga Inc.

I have never seen a more unprofessional sales pitch.

I agree with GregS (g'day, Greg!)

This is an opportunity to be grasped, not a disaster to be wailed about. Too often we wail and say "It's not fair!", when we should turn the argument/mis-statement/libel around and use it to our advantage.

tony

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cyka wrote: Every one Shut upand grow up... get on with ur day jobs.

How about we see a little bit more leading by example?

However, you missed out:

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