I know you know we don't each other know.
Broken the ice.
You surely have noted a "little bit upset" in this community when many have known the name "amiga commodore" will be tied to windows pcs.
What, arguably, you don't know is the proud that every amigan have and the fanatic love every one of us has for this platform.
The fact that we didn't resign to commodore, gateway, ainc, demises let you know what passion is amiga for us.
Morphos is an example: amiga shouldn't have died so morphos was the answer to all who wanted a new and better amiga os.
Aros instead was the answer by those who thought that the old amiga (68k) was the best and charmed by opensource flavour, reimplemented it on x86.
Aos4 is the son of ainc and hyperion and surely you know it.
Aos4 is called the official amiga os, and imagine what has happened here when a third (you) bought the use of names commodore and amiga.
At least it was a volcano explosion. The official amigaos stripped from the official "commodore amiga".
Let's say that many of us are, at the best, skeptical on you and your plans.
But now is your turn and amiga could reborn by your hands.
What was amiga?
Simply it was a performing and cheap hw/sw platform.
Good os and good hw solution at affordable prices.
So some clues to you:
1) Don't clone apple. Apple sells garbage at 10 times the prices other brands sell. If you don't believe it look at benchmark of hackintosh pcs (cracked osx on normal x86 pcs). They're better than original apple and cheaper. Amiga was affordable.
2) Amiga was a multimedia platform: you can use windows, ubuntu, aros but don't forget one thing:MULTIMEDIA! If i'll buy an amiga i'll expect some alliance with adobe for photoshop (or similar products), newtek for videotoaster or lightwave, discreet for 3dsmax and steinberg for cubase. These are examples but i'll better buy an amiga if it'll be a complete product. Don't you want to put it on the machine? Try to have a discount on sw so i can buy them at a lesser price. MULTIMEDIA.
3) Quality: Even 25 years after, amigas live. My a500 is still there and when on this forum someone writes: my a2000 keyboard is dead, think it's a keyboard with at least 20 years. Quality. There are tons of pc clone of poor quality. Amiga were quality machines.
4) Originality: I don't buy apple for a few reason. Apart for that n.zi of steve jobs, their products are not the quality they say, they're more and less pc clones. Magnetic stuff, light keys these are toys you can buy in a walmart. No originality. Their os is a unix clone. Again no originality. Amiga was originality, uniqueness. Try to reach this too in your amiga and you'll sell more.

You have our dream in your hands. This dream has been stomped many many times in these years.
Even if many of us don't like you too much, try to reach these goals: uniqueness, quality, multimediality and affordability. Your machines will be more amiga not only in the name.
We're only some hundred but we will not forget it.
Forgive my poor english.
Best luck and regards.

@rebraist

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Heres 50c...

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How about asking: please don't try to pass a Chinese x86 windows/ubuntu PC as an Amiga for Pete's sake!?"

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They don't care. Don't waste your time.

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elwood wrote: @rebraist They don't care. Don't waste your time.

They really don't. This is just business. It's ok though, it will have zero effect for the AOS4 fans, the MorphOS fans and may be of some use to the AROS crowd. We might get some case remakes out of it. Would love to see them put out an a1000 mini ITX case, that's something I would buy. Hell, might even buy a full machine in such a case if the price was right. I sure as heck ain't hacking up an original a1000 case for such a project.

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@rebraist

Why blaming Apple in your letter? They did good business. If you don't like Apple products - that's OK, but it would be better to talk about Amiga, than blaming a very successful company.

What I like in your letter: You talk about Originality - uniqueness. Yes! That is the point. But Multimedia is now the field of others... Amiga has to take new fields - fields that are new. Multimedia isn't something new.

Then about Commodore USA: I don't have a good feeling. Their website, their communication: all that reminds me of A.Inc... you know what that means....


We have to go ahead in some way - but Commodore USA won't be any help. I'm sure.

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@rebraist

Apple did a great job and their UNIX Clone is a really good OS. I hate apples commercial thinking and some of their anti user moves.

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Commodore trademark announcement, August 25th, 2010, we got it a week or two before.
Amiga trademark announcement, August 31st, 2010. We got it days before.

It's been less than 2 months since we got the AMIGA trademark.
Don't you think you ought to give us a bit of time to get things going?
All these complaints about what we're doing and you really have no idea yet.
When we are ready to provide you with more information we will.
That will be on our schedule.
Why not show some patience, you should be used to it by now.

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DAX wrote: @rebraist How about asking: please don't try to pass a Chinese x86 windows/ubuntu PC as an Amiga for Pete's sake!?"

About the Chinese part..... Where do you think most of the PC hardware comes from. Either China or East Asia. Should we be building these from scratch in our garage to suit your sensibilities? It's time to get over it. When Steve Jobs gets his stuff from Foxconn do the Apple fanboys cry out?

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BigBentheAussie wrote: @DAX Quote: DAX wrote: @rebraist How about asking: please don't try to pass a Chinese x86 windows/ubuntu PC as an Amiga for Pete's sake!?" About the Chinese part..... Where do you think most of the PC hardware comes from. Either China or East Asia. Should we be building these from scratch in our garage to suit your sensibilities? It's time to get over it. When Steve Jobs gets his stuff from Foxconn do the Apple fanboys cry out?

Well said, this Chinese thing is getting on my nerves. I guess the phrase is mostly used just to belittle the x86 industry. I mean it's hard to find something to pick on so why not choose that. As if "made in China" it instantly meant "bad product" It's quite the opposite way I think. If something´s mass produced over there you can't afford that the production run sends out massive amount of half functioning bad hardware, quite the opposite happens IMHO, you make sure your mass produced piece of motherboard works. This is generally speaking of course. I know it's easy to find an example when things has slipped but it doesn't happen generally.

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2. ?
3. I have two dead Amiga 500s i.e. after about 10 minutes they both die.
4. google TripOS and Amiga

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DAX wrote: @rebraist How about asking: please don't try to pass a Chinese x86 windows/ubuntu PC as an Amiga for Pete's sake!?"

AmigaOne XE was manufactured in the Far East.

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@BigBentheAussie

It's not about showing patience or not. It's about beeing honest.

1. Look at your website: it looks horrible. It's not possible, that you are a serious business, when you have a website like this. All the pixeled images, crt-displays, and so on...

2. You wrote a press release about a 30million budget for korey kay & partners. Just invest 10k dollars and you'll have a real professional website. Why should I believe the 30million budget; when you have a website for 10 bucks?

C'mon: be honest. The 30millions are just a joke. It's a real fake.

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Yeah I am waiting patiently for C=AUS so I can laugh at their product line and at the same time I am waiting patiently for A-Eon so I can commend their hard efforts over the last decade in truly supporting the Amiga platform as a whole.

Thats my open letter to C=AUS by an ex-amigan who actually know what an Amiga is.

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Carry on...

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@BigBentheAussie
I can rephrase it as just "an x86 PC" but it would change much (China is the least of everyone's problems here, or better they are not a problem at all).

I checked with china's factories, there are many that offer plastic molding among their services, so they can create plastic shells that resemble whatever.

You probably contacted them and asked for look alikes of several classic machines, and that is mighty fine by me.
Once you have those in your hands, I don't think that slapping an intel x86 PC inside will be enough to make people believe it's an "Amiga", just because you had Ainc agreeing on you putting a logo on it (this is the REAL problem).

Keep in mind I have nothing against you or C=USA, I even asked several time to join forces with Hyperion/A-Eon, but the ones that are ABSOLUTELY against custom PPC solution it's you. You keep saying you aim at the mainstream, but that cannot be, you are building machines that attracts retro-fans (a niche, certainly not the mainstream) and that cost more than cheaper equilvalents (spec wise) and the mainstream will always choose those equivalents.
So, since you are aiming at a niche (no more mainstream claims please) why don't you join forces and make a real Amiga everyone would be happy about?

Put in some money, produce large numbers and those PPC prices will fall down.

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but the ones that are ABSOLUTELY against custom PPC solution it's you

who wouldn't be against PPC in today's circumstances...

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You keep saying you aim at the mainstream, but that cannot be, you are building machines that attracts retro-fans

laptops and tablets are not retro machines...

there will be amiga desktops and mobile amigas and there will be a line of amiga replicas(A500x). So, both the retro market and the mainstream will be targeted.

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