@zerohero
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Personally I interpret this update as if AmigaOS 4.x for the X1000 is massively delayed. There is mention of linux and colors of peripherals, but nothing about the progress of AmigaOS 4.x. Those have been typical stalling tactics in the past.

It sounds like you misunderstood the chain of events.

- Near the end of 2009 the first version of the board was produced and the port of OS4 begun.

- In June 2010 a preliminary version of OS4 was shown running at the VCF show

- In October 2010 a more advanced version of OS4 was shown at the AmiWest show

- By now the test batch of revision 2 motherboards must have been manufactured already and Varisys is using Linux to demonstrate that every aspects of the hardware is indeed working as expected before they start "mass-producing" the v2 board

Obviously A-Eon doesn't want to end up like Eyetech did with the Teron boards, so it makes sense to take every precaution even if that creates delays.

OS4 itself isn't delayed, most likely it's further along than it was 4 months ago and back then it was already useable enough for betatesting purposes.

Considering all the disappointments of the past, especially with AInc, I can understand your skepticism though.

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corto wrote: but I still wonder why a known distribution like Debian is not chosen. It will take benefit of all the experience and the existing packages.

YellowDog would be my first choice for a ppc system. Besides, now that apple and ibm are
not producing desktop ppc rigs, the YDL folks may be looking for a home.

It worked beautiful on my A1XE.

@sundown

The state shown in Essen was really low. I don't remember the precise values though. Anyway, I guess netto the system was slower than my old fanless Peg1. I've seen far better perfoming maschines on the show (some G4s which netto ran more than circles around the X1000/OS4) - albeit these were also early versions.
Indeed, the cpu has some power, but the question remains, how good that power will get used by the hardware implementation and by the software? What I've seen in Essen was pretty disappointing. For all fairness it is pretty important to not forget that this was a very early OS port and the hardware shown there was a revision earlier than it is now. There is hope, but 1st impression was weak.

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eder wrote: London, 7th March 2011 Penguins anyone? As part of the pre-qualification process Varisys have created a minimal PowerPC Linux kernel

"powerpc" is only a linux kernel's branch name adopted as common (historical) convention after the major swicth from "ppc" and it isn't directly related to the PowerPC instruction. Instead your machine is Power ISA 2.04 compliant.
You should know as you are obliged from Power.org to use the correct definitions.


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TrevorDick wrote: @opi As for continuing Linux support in the future, we are in contact with one of the original PA6T developers who maintains the Linux port. TrevorD

P.A. Semi PA6T linux kernel support was declared umantained some time ago..
and in GCC also there aren't optimization options for this specific cpu type.
GNU/Linux is an option but it's not a great advantage.


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corto wrote: Quote: TrevorDick wrote: @opi [quote]I hope AEon will not try reinvent the wheel and just sponsor some hardware to Debian/OpenSuSE developers and get a proper, supported code with patches upstream. That is not our intention. However, it made sense (to me at least) to leverage off the work Varisys had done. I use Linux (Debian) on my Sam Flex and Ubuntu (v8.10) on my Pegaos II and x86 Netbook (v10.10) I would like the option to use Linux my A1-X1000 but first and foremost it will be running AmigaOS4. As for continuing Linux support in the future, we are in contact with one of the original PA6T developers who maintains the Linux port. TrevorD

That sounds good and I think a full Linux desktop is mandatory in addition to OS4. Linux is a great help testing the board but I still wonder why a known distribution like Debian is not chosen. It will take benefit of all the experience and the existing packages.
I would like to run both OS4 and Linux on this machine (and why not both at the same time in the future).
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Ubuntu and OpenSUSE removed this arch from the their own official development tree.
Debian is stable but doesn't have a full 64bit system.
YDL is dead as TSS was acquired from Fixstars that decided to close any further development.
The best choice could be Gentoo (altought i dislike it) but Debian PPC was the only one with the Electra devel board official support.

cheers,
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Indeed, the cpu has some power, but the question remains, how good that power will get used by the hardware implementation and by the software?

I do remember them saying os4 was running in debug mode at the first show. The system at amiwest didn't show any obvious indications of being slow, but then we had no benchmarks to run either. I'm sure we'll all argue over any benchmarks after its release, in any event. My personal benchmark will be blender.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Think_We're_All_Bozos_on_This_Bus

I was there. Cecilia is an old-timer also.

Those 4 crazy guys are unsurpassed in english language satire.

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Wow, never knew where she got it from, interesting. Thanks for the link.

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P.A. Semi PA6T linux kernel support was declared umantained some time ago..

Ah, thanks, didn't know that. That explains in-house development.

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I dont remember seeing this

London, 3rd February 2011

A-EON Technology is pleased to announce that the next issue of "Amiga Future" magazine will contain an update article with a general review of the AmigaOne X1000 development. Issue 89 (March/April) should be released in early March and can be ordered from the Amiga Future website.

Also, behind the scenes, a special AmigaOne X1000 forum has been established on the Hyperion Entertainment Message boards for the exclusive use of A1-X1000 Beta Testers for disemination of news and information relating to the A1-X1000 project.

We are also pleased to support (through Trevor Dickinson) the AmigaBounty.net JIT/E-UAE project recently assigned to Álmos Rajnai the author of Petunia for AmigaOS4. Although our main interest is for the AmigaOne X1000 we believe that JIT/E-UAE development will benefit all AmigaOS4 users. In a related development, as part of Trevor's Developer Hardware donation programme, Jan Zahurancik has been working on a AmiKit E-UAE distro for AmigaOS4. The combination of Rachy's JIT/E-UAE with AmiKit's Classic distro should provide all AmigaOS4 users with the ultimate Classic Amiga experience. Please visit the AmigaBounty.net and AmiKit websites if you wish to donate towards these worthwhile projects.

Links:
JIT enabled E-UAE for AmigaOS4
AmiKit - the ultimate Classic Amiga distro

Finally, we have been informed that Mathias Parnaudeau (the author of "Song Player") has written a review article for the Obligement Webzine on the PA Semi PA6T-1682M CPU which powers the AmigaOne X1000. We are told the article should appear on the Obligement website within the next few days.

link

A-EON Technology CVBA

But all sounds great.

Plus the white one does look nice

Note artist's impression

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@sundown

At the Essen show both machines (developer systems) were set to 600MHz as the default CPU speed on power up (if I remember correctly). They could be manually changed to a higher CPU speed on-the-fly using a little shell utility. Of course if they were powered down or crashed (which happened fairly frequently) they again defaulted to the lower speed. At AmiWest, AmigaOS4 was much more stable and the default CPU speed was set to 1.8GHz hence the much improved performance.

TrevorD

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@TrevorDick

besides we must not forget that in case of quake benchmark, software rendering has been used, which is completely understandable, given that this must be moreless the same drivers supplied now for the sam460 boards. perhaps even the system itself might have felt less snappy if there was no hardware compositing turned on. i remember this has caused some confuson and had to be strighten up few times.

btw. it would be good to see some answers to kas1e questions if possible.

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btw. it would be good to see some answers to kas1e questions if possible.

Maybe time to subscribe to Amiga Future...?

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no, i dont want to subscribe, do you have any answers?

@wawa
Buy a single issue then!
Jokes aside, the latest issue is pretty good, there is also Dale Luck's interview and more goods

(then of course any question and possible answer here is always desirable)

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For you not looks strange when users ask for some normal info , saying "go and buy some magazine" ? For me it looks strange for sure. Imho i not ask too much, and ask just without any kind of trolling, just normal questions. And for first TrevD ignore them at all , and for second users start to say "go and buy some magazine". Really strange for sure.

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opi wrote: @ppc_addon Quote: P.A. Semi PA6T linux kernel support was declared umantained some time ago.. Ah, thanks, didn't know that. That explains in-house development.

my fault, the status is actually "Maintained", but they switched from "Supported" to "Maintained".
http://lxr.linux.no/#linux+v2.6.37.2/MAINTAINERS#L3684

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-- when betatesters will recieve their boards

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Amiga Future magazine issue 89 (March 2011) AmigaOne X1000 Status Report has the following information "Remaining revision 2 boards will reach beta testers during Q2".

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