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for those who say i blame hyperion while they have nothing to do with x1000 so i'm doing an unrelated mix:

first the only things i blame are bad communication from involved parties, and "glacial pace" of development of os4. involved parties mean: hyperion and a-eon (acube instead does a bit better).

why is it revelvant to speak about hyperion concerning the x1000:
hyperion could speak of os4 advances and progress porting to x1000.

that would tell us how os4 is progressing, and that the x1000 is working. one stone two birds. they could tease us with progress reportS and some bench and the usual stuff.. you know.

but for some reasons, we don't get nothing:
- no x1000 news
- not much os4 news (current status of various ports, what are the current challenges, what are the lastest achievements, how some rewritten components got really better, some benchs ..Etc ...)

maybe the silence means that they have nothing to say .. no progress to show yet ?
or they just don't want to show it ?
anyway, it's very late without giving much explanations ..

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@freeaks

Probably A-eon doesn't notice what goes on here. But this whole thing could have been avoided by a tiny snippet of news. How about "The testing of the five trial boards is progressing nicely." That's one little sentence. It's been two months, how long does it take to load up Linux and run a few tests? In this community, over and over no news has proven to be very bad news. Like someone said a few posts back: a small change takes 12 weeks. This doesn't reassure people.

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Probably A-eon doesn't notice what goes on here.

http://amigaworld.net/userinfo.php?uid=3800

He hasn't even logged in since May 19. Prior to that he was logging in and posting as many as 5 times per day until May 1. That might support your theory. Then again, he does have a day job.

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Concerning another topic, I wrote a PM to Trevor, he answered right away the next day... but he also said he is/will be on a flyingtrip. Said that, he stated to report back later...

So, folks give him a rest, he has an other job as well (maybe even 2 or 3 once...)

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opi wrote: @Mechanic Quote: they are from the Green Camp Boy, nothing helps discussion like rubber stamping "THEM" of whoever you disagree with. You should run for Pope of Amigadom, you have your enemies defined, now just push some stereotypes onto "THEM" and bam! "THEM" who disregard holy name of Brand Name should be banned!

Just where did I say ANYTHING about banning people?


And just where are you and self-righteous opinions when a group of people wish
to support and cheer on whatever cause they see fit and get attacked for it.
This place is HOME to the OS4 forums and this thread is in one of those OS4 forums.

If you don't like Pizza, don't go into a pizza joint and tell the people that
do like pizza that they should not support or promote pizza or feel sorry for
others that think food is just food and nothing more.

I did not say anything about BANNING people from the pizza shop.
All are welcome. Just don't sit across the table from me complaining that I'm
enjoying pizza too much because you don't like it.

My fanboyism IS in the proper place. Don't like it? Tough Pizza!

The Pope.

P.S. PPC processors on custom boards are the only step to the future at this
time. Anything else is a fall into the quagmire of commodity obsolescence.

P.P.S. AmigaOS and PPC hardware- - - IT'S A PARTY!

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Well said, Jingof! Your post has made the most sense of almost all the ones before it. Have faith and patience people! And to all our Amiga-related companies working on things.."Keep up the great work!"

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P.S. PPC processors on custom boards are the only step to the future at this time. Anything else is a fall into the quagmire of commodity obsolescence.

At this time the idea of a PPC on a custom board looks like a bad one... judging from the X1000 project. Though you could say that any CPU on a custom board might be just as bad when dealing with very limited resources to develop it.

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WolfToTheMoon wrote: @Mechanic Quote: P.S. PPC processors on custom boards are the only step to the future at this time. Anything else is a fall into the quagmire of commodity obsolescence. At this time the idea of a PPC on a custom board looks like a bad one... judging from the X1000 project. Though you could say that any CPU on a custom board might be just as bad when dealing with very limited resources to develop it.

Exactly the point I was trying to make with opi.

You are sitting at my table telling me all about why you don't like pizza. A simple 'No Thanks,
I don't care for any.' would be enough and appropriate.

@thinkchip

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Probably A-eon doesn't notice what goes on here. But this whole thing could have been avoided by a tiny snippet of news. How about "The testing of the five trial boards is progressing nicely." That's one little sentence. It's been two months, how long does it take to load up Linux and run a few tests? In this community, over and over no news has proven to be very bad news. Like someone said a few posts back: a small change takes 12 weeks. This doesn't reassure people.

exactly ...
and you say two months .. you're being nice,
i'd say communication was never that good.
i feel like i've been hungry for wanting to know what's happening with amiga for a very long time.
and most of the time, all i got was tiny bit of info, and lot of fog, secrecy, n' 5h*t ;)
even before hyperion with gateway and friends ..
maybe it's getting better ? but you'd need a microscope to notice it .

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despite all its progress and advances, amigaos just barely manage to keep us 10years behind others..
and that's because there were updates and improvement otherwise it would even more outdated.
the way i see it, amigaos is today what it should have been in 2000~2002..
and i'm being overly nice here.. cause even in 2000~2002 other OSes all had mp, smp, unicode , resource tracking and what not ..
but thinking of present state of amigaos it feels more confortable, errr bearable if we were still in yeak 2k with os4 run on things like sam, soc systems, or macs, powerpc openplatform design 'pop' platform, and etc ..
x1000 or not things are progressing too slowly .. and without good communication ;)
music from the commercial spring to mind:
Onlyyy aamigaaaa ...
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@freeaks

It is not that bad in comparison to other "classic" platforms - like Atari, Risc OS etc. or even some in some extent to matured alternative OSs (BeOS).

However, you are right that current products aren´t comparable to mainstream.

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the way i see it, amigaos is today what it should have been in 2000~2002..

Yes... BUT... In OS4's defense, it was never planned to be a permanent solution.

Amiga Inc contracted Hyperion to port AOS on PPC. They were working on a different solution that would form the basis to OS5, which would include OS4(Hyperion's port of 3.x to PPC) itself.

However, Amiga Inc never delivered and Hyperion spent years rewriting basically the whole OS.

I do think that history would have been slightly better for AOS if it had been based on MorphOS since that project was started earlier and has a better base to build a NextGen OS on. However, in the best Amiga tradition, the whole situation got complicated immensely and basically nothing groundbrakingly new got done. We got 2/3 very nice AOS recreations, but neither has any truly nextgen features like SMP or MP to be considered a credible alternative.

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os5 bwhaha ;)
do you believe a single word ainc said ?
they contracted hyperion for os4 as a stop gap measure to keep community interested,
consumer base if you will.
they didn't even understood amigaos value, i think they had no real plan for it, at first.

but seeing community kind of rejected their tao/intent/amigaanywhere stuff, they contrated hyperion, to gain time.
meanwhile, when they finaly understood that amigaos could generate real interest and money they wanted to have it back, but it was too late. and that a good thing amigaos got out of their incapable hands.

beside that (the hyperion contract) not one single word from them came to be.
and as i just said, i suspect that when they contrated hyperion it was just a stop bleed measure to keep community behind the brand. cause they wanted to sell , using the brand name.. sell yeah, but what .. gizmos, cell phone games .. rubbish
they didn't even understood the importance of the contract with hyperion for us ..
when they did it was too late ;)
so now when you speak about os5 from them ....
"supposed to beat osx and all yeah .. you know ;)
just don't hold your breath on it .. i mean ;)

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@freeaks

I was just saying that contracting Hyperion was only a part of what Amiga Inc "planned" and that OS4 was never originally meant to form the base of AOS's future. Basically, it was meant to be a quick port of OS3.x to PPC but in the end it ended up as a almost complete rewrite that took far longer to complete, by which time Amiga Inc was already as good as dead and OS4 was the only thing left standing.

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you really are a fool, I don't think anyone cares what YOU think, buy a pee cee and leave Amiga land to us PPC/68K users

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Amigo1 wrote: @many What is going on here? Opi is a long time member here on AW; whilst I myself sometimes or more often don't agree with his POWs, I really don't agree at all calling him a troll!! Because of the Amiga situation or the X1000 thing, which looks way off because of the almost 1year overdue time, he might be in a bad mood or/and disappointed. But bashing him like that is not fair. Even if I have confidence in Trevor and the rest who is involved is still making the best to make it succeed, I really can understand him. Looks like the Amiga pond is getting too small and it's inhabitants are starting to cannibalize.. Sad.

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If you make a really big promotional push and collect preorder money, people in this Kommunity will take you to task when deadlines are blown through by over a year. It is not just coming from the "blue camp" or the "cusa camp" or "black camp" or even that "classic camp", it is coming from many in the "red camp" too.

It is what it is. If you are still interested in such a project with such specs and price that is now likely pushed to 2012 or later, more power to you. Even on this website I think you would find the percentage who are completely gung-ho and have no reservations on the project are probably in a minority. If you are one of these people completely gung-ho, don't let my opinion or anyone else's bother you. When I bought a Pegasos I April 2 in 2003 it was almost as if I had sold my soul to the devil by the reaction of many in the Kommunity. It didn't matter other people's opinion then, it doesn't matter now.

My point, if it was not entirely clear, don't take other people's opinion so personally. Buy what you want and don't sweat the small stuff.

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