@tommywright

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That was the assumption, yes. Are you telling me these companies do not sustain themselves? I can't even fathom going through the abuse that these guys take for nothing. Surely they make a living.

The MorphOS team have said that it's basically a part-time labour of love now with not much income to speak of. Hyperion present a very different public image, but I suspect the reality isn't that different.

Chris

@jkirk

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like i said in previous threads a "common os" is not needed only a common system that allows an amiga program to run on multiple flavors(without compiling). if we could get that then we would have a better chance of getting new programs without having to wait for ports from one flavor to another.

True. That was the aim of the Zune bounty. Something like Zune would be useful, but it probably wouldn't get officially adopted however good it became. Like I said earlier, OS4 has to be different to AROS, not just better, because of the hardware requirements.

If you have too much in common with the free stuff, what are you paying all that extra for? You can argue for and against MUI or Reaction, but if you have Zune, you're just the same. No selling point there. Perhaps this is why Poseidon isn't being used.

Gallium3D is being ported out of necessity, but I think there's differences in the driver system. I doubt we'll see changes sent back up-stream because commercially it makes no sense.

Gallium is actually a good example of how I think co-operation will continue - on a limited scale and coming from necessity. If you can't write something from scratch, use the free stuff, do it a bit different, don't share code changes and don't tell people what you did.

Ok, it's not ideal, but it sort of meets what you wanted. You can re-compile an OpenGL game on both platforms, so that's all good.

Chris

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Every time when i read "its time to join the forces", i read it "its time to join the horses" :)

@clebin
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If you have too much in common with the free stuff, what are you paying all that extra for? You can argue for and against MUI or Reaction, but if you have Zune, you're just the same. No selling point there. Perhaps this is why Poseidon isn't being used.

Zune (for today) is not good example. Gallium3d is, but zune in current form are not. I annoy ppls here , and on aros-exec few times, that need to split zune bountyes on small different ones to give zune a go and so on, but everyone just only say "zune open source, its cool". Its cool when zune will be as mui4 , then yes. But in current form , its the worst implementation of mui for all the amiga like oses. Not only by less features, but even just because it works not as mui works (lunapaint are good example).

@AmigaBlitter
Imho you better stop making the same threads all the time, and just start to learn MUI and make zune as mui4. Then it will be 100% "join the forces" with the best result. Also do not forget to impove Salass00's initial reaslisation of opensource reaction version.

That will be real "join the forces". Asking just for "someone please make my life easy", its the same as .. "there is answers from all the others in that thread"

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@kas1e

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kas1e wrote: Every time when i read "its time to join the forces", i read it "its time to join the horses" :)

Every time I think "Some of those that work forces... are the same that burn crosses... duh duh duh... killing in the name of..."!

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Zune (for today) is not good example.

No, definitely not today. I was talking about a future Zune not being supported "however good it became". As you say, Gallium3D is the best example as Deadwood's already done brilliantly with it.

I agree about smaller Zune bounties (with the benefit of hindsight) I've got a small amount in the current bounty but I'd happily split it if required.

Chris

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a-r-o-s community driven aros not tight down by some control freaks which killed amiga back than because wrong decisions made or taken by amiga inc which given a born to aros by amiga users not just amigans/morphos just for the love of amiga

aros is part of freedom not just a cheap hardware its the only way to fightback and its here to stay if we do or not join forces in my eyes..

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@HenryCase

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So, stop repeating "let's join the forces" and start describing the plan on how to do so.

Read It's time to join the forces parts 1,2,3

There are some hints. Of course my "plan" are only suggestions.


@thread

this topic is not intended to tell us "my OS is better than the other".

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tommywright wrote: MOS and Hyperion should abandon their companies and put all their efforts into AROS. They can live on 'Amiga Love' which is much more sustainable than something like say... food. CUSA and Ainc will also be welcome because hey... it's all about the love.

You made me smile, really. A little humor and irony are always welcome...

@jkirk

+1, and i think is the better way so each side handles its internals how they like, and there can be native apps and common apps; something to keep in mind tohugh is that some kind of base protocol to make programs and oses communicate is required, since i assume most of the base target will have more than one system, like one or more sam, mac mini with MOS, AROS boxes.

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@clebin

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Co-operation will never happen while one OS costs £600 more to use than another.

Co-operation will never happen while some people has problem with it.

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Those prices require you to distance yourself from everyone else.

Of course not.

Simply Aros must work better on hardware other than the pc.

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Being better is less valuable than being different.

That AROS runs on pc, does not mean it is better.

@AmigaBlitter

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AmigaBlitter wrote: Read It's time to join the forces parts 1,2,3 There are some hints. Of course my "plan" are only suggestions.

I don't need to read those threads, I read them at the time when I contributed to them. There was at most a few vague suggestions, nothing concrete.

If you want to waste your time then carry on as you are. If you want to make good use of your time and encourage people to get behind you then you'll have to provide a more concrete plan.

So summarise your strategy here, and suggest how to implement it.

@HenryCase

ok i am not a programmer but if i had the money and the knowledge this is what i would like to see.

1) a "generic" api for programers to write to
2) the ability to plug this api into not only os4 but also mos, aros, and os 3.x .
3)additional libraries that allow any program to optimize itself on the fly(or on the first run) for anything that cannot be handled in the api.
4) the ability for this api to run as close to the speed as the host os api.

this way a piece of software can be written-compiled-run on any of the os flavors after said api is installed. if this can be worked out and implemented there is a chance the popularity will improve. then at some point the os programmers might integrate this into the os creating a true common programming method.

yes this is a tall order and i do not know how feasable this would be. but i believe something similar is the best chance to get programs written on all systems.

in essence we could create a programming language that will allow programs to be written for all amiga flavors. without a recompile for each system. thereby allowing authors to create one app for sale or free that will work for all amiga users instead of the select few running the right os.




in other words think of something similar to wine but instead of being an api wrapper create it as an api itself. and instead of it being a program forcing other programs to use the os api. integrate the api into the os as much as possible.

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@HenryCase

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=33675&forum=2#614226

"It's not all about debate in wich os is better (although i like os4 more than the other), it's more about to join the forces, works together, all having in common same goals.
Think about this:

Acube as hardware developer
A-eon as hardware developer
Natami as chipset designer and chipset evolution

Amiga OS team (os design)
MorphOS team (os design and apps developent)
Aros OS team as platform explorer and open source integrations

This is my personal view

What do you think about?"

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@jkirk
So in other words an additional abstraction layer that is common amongst all platforms, yes?

@AmigaBlitter
You're planning the wrong thing. What you've outlined is which parties you want to be involved, what you should be planning is what we need to build (see jkirk's most recent post above for an example).

In short, it doesn't matter who builds what we need, what we need to look at is what we need in the first place. In other words, focus on the technology, not on the people. Without having the plan for the technology you'll never get anyone to sign up to make it.

@HenryCase

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@jkirk So in other words an additional abstraction layer that is common amongst all platforms, yes?

pretty much so.

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