@Hondo
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Hondo wrote: we can start gathering the camps in on big group hug

We agree on something. A manly hug though please.

@zerohero

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To me it's just strange that if I say that AmigaOS 4.x is the real continuation of the old AmigaOS it's somehow implied I think both AROS and MorphOS is bad. Why is that?

To me the biggest problem is that when asking someone why he uses AmigaOS 4.x is he says it is continuation of the AmigaOS. Then I sit in fornt of his AmigaOS 4 machine and ask "surprise me" all I get is the AmigaOS.

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Not saying I think Hyperion is completely free of blame, but we all know the lawsuit took it's toll.

Every OS development project have its own crisis. MorphOS had it after 1.4 release.

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I hardly think Ralph Schmidt would have let go of MorphOS sources just like that?

Guess why negotiations with Amiga Inc in 2000/2001 didnt come to fruition? =P

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@itix

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itix wrote: To me the biggest problem is that when asking someone why he uses AmigaOS 4.x is he says it is continuation of the AmigaOS. Then I sit in fornt of his AmigaOS 4 machine and ask "surprise me" all I get is the AmigaOS.

There are good features of AmigaOS4, perhaps your past demonstrators just weren't good at presenting them. AmiCygnix, for example, is a pretty good strong point for OS4, in my opinion. That's just one off the top of my head.

@HenryCase

AmiCygnix is good thing to have when you older 68k painting programs do not support the right picture format or is generally too buggy to work whit.
Or when you trying to write document and you need a more or less up to date word processor, also there is rally nice MP3 tag editor for it.

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@itix

Its about what you like how you think some thing should look, its not just about “AmigaOS”, I like Reaction a lot, not as advanced yet but its OK to program for, and it looks good.

PTP works also well for my Camera.

I like TuneNet not part of OS, but its a rally nice player if Been just update the shoutcast feature.
(the problem whit it is that uses a web page to look for radio station, but some times the page changes and application needs to be changed / updated form time to time, )

Better just read the review is a good one.

http://arstechnica.com/software/news/2008/09/amigaos41-ars.ars

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What normally happens now is that some one replays to say that OS3.5 and OS3.9 is just hacks and not AmigaOS, and that Reaction is just a hack, and then we go on and argue about what is better then MUI and Reaction, it is really a shame that’s its not possible normally to say what you like whit out some buzzing in to say, you should not like this because x,y,z and so on.

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@HenryCase

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think you've raised an important point vox. CUSA bashing is fairly commonplace, it's an easy target, and there isn't much reason to support them. However, this will need to change if we want to improve the standard of discussion in the Amiga community. The reason is, if we accept bashing CUSA for their flaws, then we accept bashing the other Amiga camps for their flaws, of which they all have. It's not the content being discussed that should change, but instead our attitude towards it. If, like me, you have no time for CUSA, then simply don't waste time posting about them.

Agreed completely. Bashing is bad example.

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Peace isn't achieved through everyone thinking exactly the same as you, its achieved from respecting that others think differently from you. If you don't respect others then you shouldn't expect respect back. I'm sure it'll take a while before we lose our bad habits, but the effort is worthwhile. vox, perhaps you could start things off by removing the 'lame CUSA' part from your sig

Removed as positive example. And will try to behave better when next CUSA thread eventually pop up.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

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What normally happens now is that some one replays to say that OS3.5 and OS3.9 is just hacks and not AmigaOS, and that Reaction is just a hack, and then we go on and argue about what is better then MUI and Reaction, it is really a shame that’s its not possible normally to say what you like whit out some buzzing in to say, you should not like this because x,y,z and so on

That is nice example at OS 3.x level. Its most important to acknowledge that OS 3.5 and OS 3.9 are official AmigaOS`s, Reaction and MUI are both eligible GUI replacements - and we know there is even more.

We should celebrate the OS flexibility, instead of bashing it.

And that we have apps using whatever authors like, that we have choices.
Its flexibility. Linux users don`t bash on KDE vs other GUIs, they just enjoy having options

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@NutsAboutAmiga

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: What normally happens now is that some one replays to say that OS3.5 and OS3.9 is just hacks and not AmigaOS, and that Reaction is just a hack, and then we go on and argue about what is better then MUI and Reaction, it is really a shame that’s its not possible normally to say what you like whit out some buzzing in to say, you should not like this because x,y,z and so on.

You don't have to be insecure, nor do you need to justify your choice. Just be happy that you've picked the right OS for you and leave it at that.

@vox
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Removed as positive example. And will try to behave better when next CUSA thread eventually pop up.

Thank you vox.

If a thread was started in the Amiga OS4 Hardware forum how long
do you think it would take before comments like;

It should have been on x86, open sourced, and sold for free.
The X1000 is just too ultra expensive.
Only rich people who don't have to work and save will buy them.
The CPU is no longer made and the supply is as good as gone.
They will only sell 50 or maybe 100 X1000 if their lucky.
We all should use AROS because it's FREE.
I can run AmigaOS on a used Mac faster and better, it's called MorphOS.
AROS runs on everything and would be the new Amiga os if it was not
for all the haters around here.
SMP will never work.
My OS already has 3D.
The only thing Xena/Xorro did was increase the cost with no benefit.
The price/performance ratio shows it's not worth the extreme cost.....

How long?

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OS4 users whom take a snobbish tone and thumb their nose at anyone posting who does not own an extremely high priced AmigaOS4 related system.

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That's OK, as long as he does not use the word "ONLY".

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This is more like VHS vs. Betamax. And Amiga isn't even Betamax now, it's v2000.

Enough already.

There are some, like Franko, that have not run into the limit of what might
be considered rude, out of context remarks, or what acceptable behavior may
be for a certain group within a community, but that is NOT his fault, and I
for one do not fault him for doing so.

And when what goes around, comes around......OS4 enthusiasts are snobs.

Fix it? Please, it will not be done from this side of the web.

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A manly hug though please.

Wot no girls alowed? One or two amiga user might be upset by that.

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@Mechanic

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Mechanic wrote: There are some, like Franko, that have not run into the limit of what might be considered rude, out of context remarks, or what acceptable behavior may be for a certain group within a community, but that is NOT his fault, and I for one do not fault him for doing so. And when what goes around, comes around......OS4 enthusiasts are snobs. Fix it? Please, it will not be done from this side of the web.

Oi... There I was just toddling past on me way to see if their was anyone still alive in Amigaland when me poor little peepers spotted THAT...

I may not know the limit of what is RUDE or out of context but that's only because I'm Scottish (you try living in the freezing cold & pouring rain all year round and only ever seeing the sunshine on TV adverts for foreign lands) and you'd be as dour and rude as we Scots are...

Apart from talking about the weather the only other thing I've got to talk about is the Amiga and no one else in this gawd forsaken country owns one, so I kinda come to these forums to gibber cos nobody here knows what I'm talking about when I say Amiga...

Anywhoo... forgot what I was posting about now... oh well... never mind... it'll come back to me later and I'll chin you for whatever it was then...

Now where did I leave that teaspoon... drat forgot everything I was doing just now... think I'll go lye down...

Ohh look... a pencil... and it's pointy...

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I feel the bad vibes here isn't about the h/w or s/w we each use & protect, I think the urge to bash a post is based on who did the post. In other words, we all have a hit list of ppl we don't like & we tend to react to anything they post, & that other person will hit back.

I still feel the mods could cut down on indivisual quarrels by telling them to not post in the thread again or get banned if it gets nasty.

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@itix

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To me the biggest problem is that when asking someone why he uses AmigaOS 4.x is he says it is continuation of the AmigaOS. Then I sit in fornt of his AmigaOS 4 machine and ask "surprise me" all I get is the AmigaOS.

Its about a comfort zone, for me, its a very simple OS vs windows. I know what files go where & what they do & how to fix s/w problems. If I have a problem with windows, I'm lost. I'm sure morphos is very close to os4 as far as basic OS install. After the basics, it comes down to what non-os s/w will run on each, & each user will pick the os that runs what he/she wants.

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Its about a comfort zone, for me, its a very simple OS vs windows. I know what files go where & what they do & how to fix s/w problems. If I have a problem with windows, I'm lost. I'm sure morphos is very close to os4 as far as basic OS install. After the basics, it comes down to what non-os s/w will run on each, & each user will pick the os that runs what he/she wants.

When (if) aos4 will have all the features which have winxp, then you will not know many parts of os , if you will not in interest to learn all that ####. The bigger OS = the more need to know, to be able to understand all the problems and from what they come.

I mean its not a pluse of os4 that you can know for now every single aspect of it. It just its not full-featured at moment :)

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I mean its not a pluse of os4 that you can know for now every single aspect of it. It just its not full-featured at moment :)

True enough, but I'm in a position to learn as new features are brought out. I don't think we'll see a huge flood any time soon, be slow like me.

Now where did I hide that stash of toilet paper...

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Franko wrote: @Mechanic Quote: Mechanic wrote: There are some, like Franko, but that is NOT his fault, and I for one do not fault him for doing so. Oi... I may not know the limit of what is RUDE or out of context but that's only because I'm Scottish.... and you'd be as dour and rude as we Scots are... Ohh look... a pencil... and it's pointy...

Exactly my pointy.

When in Rome do as the Romans do. If the darn Romans don't point out what is acceptable,,,,
how the hell are you supposed to know?

When a soldier shoves a blade up yer bum?

"There, that will teach you not to blow your nose in public." Oh gee,

@zerohero

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Using that many smilies you'd think you're a funny guy. Sad though that behind all of them there's an insult somewhere...

Yes, that is his tactics. Why anyone who is a grown adult would use smilies like that is beyond my realm of understanding. Obvious mental problems.

@Franko

You dont even run any NG amiga stuff and will NEVER so why in the world are you here besides a pathetic attempt for attention. Please explain this to me.

@Mechanic

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If a thread was started in the Amiga OS4 Hardware forum how long do you think it would take before comments like; It should have been on x86, open sourced, and sold for free. The X1000 is just too ultra expensive. Only rich people who don't have to work and save will buy them. The CPU is no longer made and the supply is as good as gone. They will only sell 50 or maybe 100 X1000 if their lucky. We all should use AROS because it's FREE. I can run AmigaOS on a used Mac faster and better, it's called MorphOS. AROS runs on everything and would be the new Amiga os if it was not for all the haters around here. SMP will never work. My OS already has 3D. The only thing Xena/Xorro did was increase the cost with no benefit. The price/performance ratio shows it's not worth the extreme cost..... How long?

Well its all true so why shouldn't they post it?

@hondo

After Wizzard you should be the next one that has a cry and leaves

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