@BrandonLee

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Other than the price, my fear is that the support will be not be there, somethign along the lines of the A1. Few with the knowledge, no spare parts, etc, etc. And I could be left with a faulty machine down the line without a solution for it. I know this is pessimistic, but not that difficult to happen.

Why having the fear? Varisys seems like one of the most experienced companies in the field, there is standard 1 year warranty and only trouble might be the CPUs but PowerEfficient CPUs are really low temp and never heard of it died (OK it wasn`t much used as desktop). Same or higher fear could go for e.g. Pegasos2 or SAM boards and people bited it and didn`t have trouble.

After all, MAI Logic was only one company. Nothing is sure and taken for longlivity and granted in these times, but only way not to have A-EON around is not to buy any X1000.

Yes, its 1700 GBP + VAT (which is already more then 2000) + OS + P&P but + monitor more RAM and HDD, but then again the promise is at same time kept - hardware is 2000 quid alone, or 2000 with OS, P&P without VAT. What AEON gets is 1699 quid.

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Just noticed that if people want to have a server @ home that does not consume much power, NG Amigas are pretty good options.

in x86 world / mainstream:
According to anandtech the most energy efficient desktop chip is AMD E-350 idle 24W ... 32W under load and the next CPU consumes above 70W idle.
For my home server needs I could only consider E-350 or some laptop.

In PPC world PA6T consumes 25W under full load and only a few wats when idle.
PPC460EX consumes 7W typically.

So, IMO, NG Amiga HW could sold also as a server HW (dualboot with linux).

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@KimmoK

server with dualboot? i thought a server is commonly required to be available at all times, so when would you boot into os4 at all?

@amigang

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AmigaKit must have very heavy jet lag, still no email or pre-order page/details But I waited this long, guess I can wait a little longer

You are not alone. I am waiting with you. Oh well, I'll use the time to clean out my gutters before the snow hits tomorrow.

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@wawa

User could set the default OS that is used for the server mode. If the server handles media display, one might use AOS4, but for web server etc, one would choose linux. The selection could be made without installing OS again, just change the boot option.

Surely another option is to ship the HW with two CDs. One for AOS4 and other for Linux.

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@vox

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Hope MOS team will one day decide to end blue red war by targetting the same hardware

Morphos team is not going to waste time to port to bugged hw nor would it be worth the effort and OS4 users wont buy it from the looks of it.. so totally moot point.

@realize

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realize wrote: @vox Quote: Hope MOS team will one day decide to end blue red war by targetting the same hardware Morphos team is not going to waste time to port to bugged hw nor would it be worth the effort and OS4 users wont buy it from the looks of it.. so totally moot point.

I would buy and use both OSes on same machine.

In fact I think the coolest boards, and to me ones that retain value more than others, I feel are the Pegasos boards.

Best of both worlds and is a shame we can't have multiboot with both OSes available to us.

I find I like both OSes about the same and would buy both.

tj

@realize

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Morphos team is not going to waste time to port to bugged hw nor would it be worth the effort and OS4 users wont buy it from the looks of it.. so totally moot point.

Bugged hardware, that is really an understatement.

Arko`s 2010 poll was that 55 SAM 440 users would buy it for 150 euros.
Add at least so many A1 users and more and more SAM 460 users, and at least would be as many as that. Is it worth at least 100 licences? Maybe porting isn`t. But supporting more hardware is. Including that Lime PPC netbook and X1000 at least would also give MOS a nice low end and high end visibility. Why not sharing the success? That might bring many more.

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@vox

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Why having the fear? Varisys seems like one of the most experienced companies in the field, there is standard 1 year warranty and only trouble might be the CPUs but PowerEfficient CPUs are really low temp and never heard of it died (OK it wasn`t much used as desktop). Same or higher fear could go for e.g. Pegasos2 or SAM boards and people bited it and didn`t have trouble.

Well, things always seem rosy in the beggining...
My A1 CPU didn't die, either, but the board is not working. ;(((((((((((((((

It's easier to risk when you're paying, say, 500 or 700USD. When you're paying 4 or 5 that it becomes harder to just "bite the bullet". ;(

@realize

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Morphos team is not going to waste time to port to bugged hw nor would it be worth the effort and OS4 users wont buy it from the looks of it.. so totally moot point.

two points i would make:

1. the X1000 is not 'bugged' and i suspect anything varisys produces in future will be solid
2. one of the appealing features (for me) of a peg2 is that i can use both OS4 and MOS

and others are also interested in having the ability to run MOS on their amiga NG hardware. if it was available for my SAM, i'd purchase a license.

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I'm off to a Casino in Cyprus to earn enough money to buy an X1000 from gambling. Wish me luck :P Any advices?

@Ancalimon

always bet on black

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@Ancalimon

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I'm off to a Casino in Cyprus to earn enough money to buy an X1000 from gambling. Wish me luck :P Any advices?

Don`t go and keep saving at least 100 euros a month and one day you will have it

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@vox

yep.. lost my 500$ playing roulette.

At least all the drinks were free and I'm still drunk.



Time to start saving. Don't run out of X1000's before I manage to save enough money and sell my soul to the devil.

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@Swoop

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Swoop wrote: ... And yet without Eyetech, OS4 wouldn't be in the situation it is today. ... Overall, without Alan and the Amigaone, we would have no PPC OS4.

Hmmmm - IIRC, before AmigaInc., Hyperion and Eyetech entered the scene it looked like MorphOS was going to become the new PPC OS (OS4)...

I bought the CyberstormPPC for my A4000 in Novomber 1997 on the first day of the Amiga fair in Cologne - and on that fair Petro was still talking about MorphOS becoming the next gen AmigaOS.

So I'm quite confident we would even be in a better situation today, as there would have been no red vs. blue wars that split community and market - and we would have had PPC OS much earlier...

I think hadn't the Amiga been sold to Gateway->Amino->AInc, we all would have been better off...

This is not meant as rating of MorphOS better than OS 4.x or the other way round - this is just to state that we wouldn't be without PPC OS "without Alan and the Amigaone".

To be able to find out which of them is the better OS, both would have to run on the same HW first...

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@BrandonLee

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BrandonLee wrote: @Deniil715 ... I'm obviously frustrated I can't get one for myself, but the bigger fear is that it ends up dilluting EVEN FURTHER our community. People will just say "Wow, it costs that much? Ok, I'll look elsewhere". That will make "living with that" difficult/impossible with those remaining...

Not sure if I really got your point. I can understand that people are frustrated if they cannot get an AmigaOne X1000 initially.
But it doesn't necessarily mean they do have to leave the Amiga paltform entirely, if they "look elsewhere" - they can still get a SAM 440 or 460 - new or second hand.
And if that still is too expensive there still are MOS and AROS Amiga flavours...

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BrandonLee wrote: ... And why it costs so much, really.

Because it is no mass product like WIntel PCs?

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BrandonLee wrote: I just think it will hurt the community in the end.

Just lets wait and see...
(where's the popcorn?)

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@Dandy

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Hmmmm - IIRC, before AmigaInc., Hyperion and Eyetech entered the scene it looked like MorphOS was going to become the new PPC OS (OS4)... I bought the CyberstormPPC for my A4000 in Novomber 1997 on the first day of the Amiga fair in Cologne - and on that fair Petro was still talking about MorphOS becoming the next gen AmigaOS. So I'm quite confident we would even be in a better situation today, as there would have been no red vs. blue wars that split community and market - and we would have had PPC OS much earlier... I think hadn't the Amiga been sold to Gateway->Amino->AInc, we all would have been better off.

Couldn`t agree more. MOS and OS4 has been tested on same hardware - Peg2 and MOS was better optimized (faster) in most areas. No doubt since by the days OS4 was going pre realises, MOS was already about 1.x version and progressing. Initial MOS release was as early as 2000 (OK, it was 0.1)

MOS lacks official hardware vendor and official name, but shows other kind of resiliance by offering itself to various PPC Macs. In fact if they spread to SAMs and X1000 they would prove that software company could exist alone with no hardware vendor or tied sales to hardware, based on as much hardware support as possible. Even making MOS 2.x run on Classics that can run OS 4.1 would be nice.

In MOS FAQ there is a practical joke about OS4 announced hardware:

Q: Somebody announced plans to release new PowerPC hardware. Will you port MorphOS to it?
A: The MorphOS development team cannot port MorphOS to hardware that does not exist. Furthermore, the developers do not make plans based on planned products. A product must exist and be for sale to be even considered for a port.

However, its sad they just don`t support SAM and X1000 just because its OS4 promo hardware. Seeing something first hand is believeing, like MOS demo first.

Back on topic, MOS users could also have a killer machine by porting MOS 3 to both cheap G5 PowerMacs and X1000.

Back to X1000 only topic, looking forward to AmigaOS 4.1 updates 4 and 5: if First Contact is to be shipped with OS 4.1.5 we should all hope that OS 4.1.4 should be out by now? Looking forward to OS 4..2 feature list and purachase

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@vox

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However, its sad they just don`t support SAM and X1000 just because its OS4 promo hardware. Seeing something first hand is believeing, like MOS demo first.

They probably dont think theres enough money in it (speculation). It's fair enough, its not a huge market/userbase anymore.