@Kicko

maybe you can do the benchmark test to see how fast 68k emulation speed is on X1000

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?forum=25&topic_id=29964

you can also benchmark some hd-rec effects. the reverb is here in native PPC.

@Kicko and all interested MOSusers

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Holding RMB wherever on the screen and release it. (popupmenu under mouse) Holding RMB on the titlebar menu and not choose anything like "project" and release the RMB.

can you check this version of HD-Rec for the RMB trouble again?

http://www.blackbird-net.de/downloads/HD-Rec-05-02-12.lha

@Lyle
Looking forward for your news later on :)

@Realize
Would be nice if someone fixed the camd.library for MOS to not be beta. I dont know how well it works but a good working for all systems would be great :)

@Bernd
Heres the test. I hope its good numbers.

Speed test for FFT + iFFT: (float)
time needed 1720ms for 413696 samples, => 2.72699475288391x speed @44100Hz/stereo
Speed test for FFT + iFFT: (integer)
time needed 1276ms for 413696 samples, => 3.6758861541748x speed @44100Hz/stereo
Speed test for FFT + iFFT: (integer handoptimized 68K ASM)
time needed 617ms for 413696 samples, => 7.60199499130249x speed @44100Hz/stereo

@Blackbird
The new hdrec file works GREAT!!!. No crash on RMB. Can i continue use this for further testing and ofcourse musicmaking ? Hope to see an updated version on sourceforge/homepage later.

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Heres some benchmarks in hd-rec:


HD-Rec Benchmark for Arranger GUI Speed:
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Screen Resolution: 1920x1080x24
Arranger Window Content: 1920x1059
Project Name: unnamed
Time for 100x redrawing: 3728ms
=> Time for one redraw: 37ms
Version: HD-Rec V0.9z Beta (05.02.2012)


HD-Rec Benchmark for DSP Effect "Reverb"
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23.0x Speed at 44.1kHz/stereo
4.3 % average CPU load
Total time per 1 sec audio: 43.3ms (43.4ms noise, 43.2ms tone)
Version: HD-Rec V0.9z Beta (05.02.2012)
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HD-Rec Benchmark for DSP Effect "Reverb Lite"
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23.1x Speed at 44.1kHz/stereo
4.3 % average CPU load
Total time per 1 sec audio: 43.2ms (43.2ms noise, 43.2ms tone)
Version: HD-Rec V0.9z Beta (05.02.2012)
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HD-Rec Benchmark for DSP Effect "Reverb Pro"
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12.7x Speed at 44.1kHz/stereo
7.8 % average CPU load
Total time per 1 sec audio: 78.4ms (78.4ms noise, 78.4ms tone)
Version: HD-Rec V0.9z Beta (05.02.2012)
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If you need some other benchmark etc... Just ask

@Kicko

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Heres the test. I hope its good numbers.

Good numbers. Nearly two times fater than Pegasos II G4 with OS4.

OS4: Peg2 1GHZ G4 (Source: Bernd´s thread)
Speed test for FFT + iFFT: (float)
time needed 3183ms for 413696 samples, => 1.47358810901641x speed
@44100Hz/stereo
----------------(6362 ms at 500 MHZ)
Speed test for FFT + iFFT: (integer)
time needed 2235ms for 413696 samples, => 2.09862685203552x speed
@44100Hz/stereo
----------------(4470 ms at 500 MHZ)
Speed test for FFT + iFFT: (integer handoptimized 68K ASM)
time needed 961ms for 413696 samples, => 4.88078117370605x speed
@44100Hz/stereo
----------------(1922 ms at 500 MHZ)

@Kicko

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@Blackbird The new hdrec file works GREAT!!!. No crash on RMB.

fine fine,
no crashes by RMB on OS4 is very good...
And under MOS ? all is also ok?, has this everybody tested or will be test ???

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Can i continue use this for further testing and ofcourse musicmaking ?

yes you can, i only compile it for looking for the Problem you reported. I changed nothing within the code...

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Hope to see an updated version on sourceforge/homepage later.

i think this is Thilos Job, i dont join the sourceforge Team to commit the exe
Thilo can use it from my Site to integrate it to the Package when all works fine with OS4 and MOS

@pavlor

seem the large 2. Level Cache of PA6 help alot in 68k emu.oh i notice i do the test not on my I5 760.here are my results

Neuer Shell-Prozeß 20
20.h0:wbstartup> "Ram Disk:FFTDemo"
Speed test for FFT + iFFT: (float)
time needed 484ms for 413696 samples, => 9.69097328186035x speed @44100Hz/stereo
Speed test for FFT + iFFT: (integer)
time needed 548ms for 413696 samples, => 8.55918025970459x speed @44100Hz/stereo
Speed test for FFT + iFFT: (integer handoptimized 68K ASM)
time needed 223ms for 413696 samples, => 21.0333213806152x speed @44100Hz/stereo
20.h0:wbstartup>

as can see core i5 and i7 values are lots higher than other.

@kicko
In your X1000 test you use not native reverb.this are the values you post some years ago for your aone.notice the lib name os4.thats native.you test both native and 68k.

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Os4 upd4
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16.2x Speed at 44.1kHz/stereo
6.1 % average CPU load
Total time per 1 sec audio: 61.5ms (61.6ms noise, 61.4ms tone)
Version: HD-Rec V0.9x Beta (03.12.2006)
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this are your aone with 68k code.

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HD-Rec Benchmark for DSP Effect "Reverb Pro"
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5.1x Speed at 44.1kHz/stereo
19.4 % average CPU load
Total time per 1 sec audio: 194.4ms (194.4ms noise, 194.4ms tone)
Version: HD-Rec V0.9x Beta (03.12.2006)
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Maybe you can do the 3 band parametric eq test with X1000.here are your old values for native and for 68k.

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HD-Rec Benchmark for DSP Effect "3 Band Parametric EQ"
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69.4x Speed at 44.1kHz/stereo
1.4 % average CPU load
Total time per 1 sec audio: 14.4ms (14.4ms noise, 14.4ms tone)
Version: HD-Rec V0.9x Beta (03.12.2006)
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HD-Rec Benchmark for DSP Effect "3 Band Parametric EQ"
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16.8x Speed at 44.1kHz/stereo
5.9 % average CPU load
Total time per 1 sec audio: 59.2ms (59.2ms noise, 59.2ms tone)
Version: HD-Rec V0.9x Beta (03.12.2006)
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My first conclusion of PA6 is, with native programs speedup is not so good, but with 68k programs X1000 is good in FPU and integer. ;.-). and you should be able to play complex software Synthesizer songs with X1000 at 44.1 khz.

your aone was not able to play HQ_sweeper_demo3 song at 44.1 khz.maybe you can tell how much CPU load it need on max.when you play at 2 min 00 sec of the song and play 20 sec you can see.

also its intresting if you can play with a latency of 4 ms without crackle or dropout

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@bernd_afa

I played the tune down to 3 ms without cracke or dropout. With 2ms i got dropouts at beginning and somewhere in the middle. 1ms couldnt handle ;)

For the rest of tests ill do it tomorrow, native versions of reverb etc i used with older version of hd-rec. With latest i use only the one in the package which are 68k as many things have been changed like 24bit or was it 32bit.

Broadblues offered to port to os4native but havent heard anything more since then. Ill see if my old backup of hd-rec has this native versions then ill test that version.

@blackbird

Many thanks for the compile. You made it possible for me to use the latest version without the crash :)

I put up some pictures on facebook on my homestudio with x1000 installed.

StudioX

@Kicko

I have updated HD-Rec to Version 0.10.

You can get it here:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/hd-rec/files/?

EDIT: Everything is 68K, nothing is PPC native. I need to gather the sources together first and contact the PPC volunteers to compile.

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@Kicko

HD-Rec uses 32bit integer. That means, a sample has 32bit, and the nominal level is 24bit, leaving 8bit headroom to effectively avoid clipping.

The older DSP effects *might* work, if they are not assuming a certain level.

So I assume that equalizer and reverb will work. Things like compressors or distrosion don't work.

Nevertheless, I think all effects should be checked and recompiled.

What will not work is the native audio thread, since this one is 16bit.

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@Wanderer

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EDIT: Everything is 68K, nothing is PPC native. I need to gather the sources together first and contact the PPC volunteers to compile.

I'm still available....

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@Wanderer

I can confirm this version doesnt crash with RMB on OS4. Thanks for the update :)
As usual i do clean install and dont use any old plugins etc. Just copy back projects/sysex.

@Blackbird

About the crash with RMB it was only on OS4. Itix confirmed on MOS in post #76.

@Bernd

For the native plugins they are old and i dont have them anymore. When new get compiled i will for sure give you new benchmarks. Here is the 3band you wanted. I used the latest hdrec version.

HD-Rec V0.10 Beta (06.02.2012) Benchmark
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Name : 3 Band Parametric EQ
Speed : 96.1 (@44.1kHz/Stereo)
CPU Load : 1.0%
Library : fx_eq_3band.library (1.0)


heres a new benchmark GUI with latest HD-Rec (no tune loaded, just clean window)


HD-Rec Benchmark for Arranger GUI Speed:
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Screen Resolution: 1920x1080x24
Arranger Window Content: 1920x1059
Project Name: unnamed
Time for 100x redrawing: 3157ms
=> Time for one redraw: 32ms
Version: HD-Rec V0.10 Beta (06.02.2012)

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@Kicko

The EQ benchmark can be a bit missleading, depending on how many bands of the EQ are non-zero. It computes only bands that actually do something, not to waste CPU if you e.g. only add some treble or bass etc.
If you make the benchmark for the EQ, make sure that all bands are actually non-zero.

Other than that, ~100x speed for the EQ would be pretty good and about the same I get on my WinUAE.

EDIT: do the AISS images work correctly under OS4?

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@Kicko


Do you think you could do some demos of Amiga os4 and MIDI? Also of HD Rec?

This kind of thing is sorely needed in the community to get people interested in os4.

@Wanderer
>Other than that, ~100x speed for the EQ would be pretty good and about the same I get >on my WinUAE.

As far i remember you own now too a I5.I guess you have power save mode on, if you only get 100 maybe you have switch your windows to power save. (energiesparmodus for german windows).I use default mode(ausbalanciert).full power mode(Höchstleistung) give not more speedup.more power in idle is not need.

Here on I5 760 with automativ turbo boost 3.33 GHZ i get this values.I use default mode for energie options and have in winuae CPU idle full right set.so winuae itself set the CPU to sleep and if nothing to do if winuae run, not more idle CPU power is use.

I have a tool that show the Watt that the CPU currently need(energy saver 2 from gigabyte board CD).when hd-rec run and do nothing the CPU need 3.4 - 4.2 Watt.

during benchmark the CPU need 22 Watt.(winuae use of course no 2. core so the TDP of 96 Watt of this CPU is far not reach.

When use power save mode(energiesparen in windows setting) all in winuae is 2* slower.I think on other CPU in winuae is too slower on power save mode enable in energy settings in windows(energieoptionen).

this are my results in default mode.all EQ 0

HD-Rec Benchmark for DSP Effect "3 Band Parametric EQ"
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625.0x Speed at 44.1kHz/stereo
0.1 % average CPU load
Total time per 1 sec audio: 1.6ms (1.6ms noise, 1.6ms tone)
Version: HD-Rec V0.9z Beta (28.01.2010)
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this are the values when i switch on all 3 bands.


HD-Rec Benchmark for DSP Effect "3 Band Parametric EQ"
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227.2x Speed at 44.1kHz/stereo
0.4 % average CPU load
Total time per 1 sec audio: 4.4ms (4.8ms noise, 4.0ms tone)
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here can see the reverb pro code in amiblitz is little faster as in C.I do several times result is same.


HD-Rec Benchmark for DSP Effect "Reverb Pro"
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63.6x Speed at 44.1kHz/stereo
1.5 % average CPU load
Total time per 1 sec audio: 15.7ms (15.8ms noise, 15.6ms tone)
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HD-Rec Benchmark for DSP Effect "Reverb Pro - C"
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59.5x Speed at 44.1kHz/stereo
1.6 % average CPU load
Total time per 1 sec audio: 16.8ms (16.8ms noise, 16.8ms tone)
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next are my values when i use power save mode so CPU use when hd-rec do nothing 3-4 Watt and during benchmark run 5-6 Watt

HD-Rec Benchmark for DSP Effect "3 Band Parametric EQ"
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98.0x Speed at 44.1kHz/stereo
1.0 % average CPU load
Total time per 1 sec audio: 10.2ms (10.4ms noise, 10.0ms tone)
Version: HD-Rec V0.9z Beta (28.01.2010)
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things speed up a little when in winuae cpu idle is full left, but this cost

Intresting to see how fast X1000 get with native effects, and see how much diffrence between native and 68k code is here.

If there is nobody motivate to port the native effects again to OS4, its possible to use the old effects for benchmarks.but you cannot use it, due to 24 to 32 bit change output of real sound is 48 db less.but for speed test i think it should work

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@bernd_afa
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If there is nobody motivate to port the native effects again to OS4

...but there is...see post #92.

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@bernd

My Windows Config is set to high performance when the laptop is connected with a power cable. But dont forget, its a laptop, and it is only 2.5Ghz.

Again, Benchmarking the EQ without setting a band is non-sense, because it is optimized to bypass the signal.

Reverb gives me this performance:

HD-Rec V0.10 Beta (06.02.2012) Benchmark
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Name : Reverb Pro
Speed : 43.2 (@44.1kHz/Stereo)
CPU Load : 2.3%
Library : fx_reverb_pro.library (1.0)
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I think the "old" PPC native version should still work. As I said, 16 vs. 24bit is not important when you use floats. The data is stored the same way in 32bit integer as before. So many effect work in 24bit too. Only effects that are interpret the signal level (compressor, gate, distorsion, waveshaper, visualization etc.) have problems and must be adjusted.

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@Wanderer
>I think the "old" PPC native version should still work. As I said, 16 vs. 24bit is not important >when you use floats. The data is stored the same way in 32bit integer as before. So many >effect work in 24bit too. Only effects that are interpret the signal level (compressor, gate, >distorsion, waveshaper, visualization etc.) have problems and must be adjusted.

seem so, i remeber that my old tube distortion that use atan curve not correct sound, but it work with higher gain settings.so seem old reverb and old EQ can work native for OS4 well, because code process the data linear.

As i understand right, you change hd-rec that 0 db now is 32 bit integer mac and before it was 24 bit integer max.

But i think 0 db 24 bit integer max is better in real world, because if some channels reach maybe for short +3 db no clipping crackle come.

>My Windows Config is set to high performance when the laptop is connected with a power >cable. But dont forget, its a laptop, and it is only 2.5Ghz.

What CPu have exactly ?

With tmonitor from here you can test if turbo boost and power save work on your I5 correct.

http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/tmonitor.html

You need enable in BIOS advanced CPU settings c1e and c3/C6 halt states and Intel Turbo Boost if it is not enable.

On my i5 when CPU have nothing to do it downclock all cores to 1.2 GHZ.and when only 1 task need full CPU power it clock to 3.33 GHZ.yellow bars then see.only when 4 Cores need it clock to 2.8 GHZ.

BTW: for all my tests i have turbo boost off i see.So all values i post before are at 2.8 GHZ

Here my EQ and reverb with 3.33 GHZ and all 3 bands on

HD-Rec Benchmark for DSP Effect "3 Band Parametric EQ"
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256.4x Speed at 44.1kHz/stereo
0.3 % average CPU load
Total time per 1 sec audio: 3.9ms (4.2ms noise, 3.6ms tone)
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67.5x Speed at 44.1kHz/stereo
1.4 % average CPU load
Total time per 1 sec audio: 14.8ms (14.8ms noise, 14.8ms tone)
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And your CPU need reach simular values.2.5 to 2.8 is not so much.
you can send me your winuae config, so i can see whats problem, if all work with tmonitor on your system

All turbo boost values are with intel defaults, and default memory frequency and board frequency so no overclock.

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@bernd_afa

24 bit is now 0db, it was 16 bit before. "linear" was the word I was looking for. All linear DSP Effects will still work, if they dont clamp internally to 16bit. All non-linear will not work.

Tmonitor doesnt support my CPU, it says.

My CPU is a "Intel Core i5 2520-M @2.5GHz".

The bios doenst give me a lot of options. Its a laptop, they are usually pretty limited.

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