@Metalheart

moved from the other thread for better exposure.


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i voted none of the above because i would like to see the current os/mb companies supported through sales of complete systems thru cusa. on an aside i would still like to see some progress on os4 for x86 based partially on aros to reduce development time. examples at present: natami(or equivalent) in a600 case supporting os 1.3 to 3.1 sam 440/460 in a500/a1000 style case running os4 x1000 in a a2000 style case with os4 in future: x86 itx mb in an a1200 case running x86 os4 x86 atx/matx mb in an a3000/4000 case running x86 os4

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@wawa

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right, the concepts are not that bad. paradoxically would prefer commodore-baige though. too many fancy black or metallic cases today.

I prefer beige as well.

25 years ago beige was generic, and black was "special." Now black is generic, and beige is retro.

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@thread

It seems the poll has started. CUSA Amiga Poll on Blogspot

@Samurai_Crow

not good enough for my taste....

missing what kind of system
missing the software / emulation option
missing expansion card option

etc. etc..

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@Metalheart

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not good enough for my taste....

right, its too messy.

@jkirk

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on an aside i would still like to see some progress on os4 for x86 based partially on aros to reduce development time. examples at present: natami(or equivalent) in a600 case supporting os 1.3 to 3.1 sam 440/460 in a500/a1000 style case running os4 x1000 in a a2000 style case with os4 in future: x86 itx mb in an a1200 case running x86 os4 x86 atx/matx mb in an a3000/4000 case running x86 os4

this post doesnt contain any choice, you want to have evreything and all at the same time. making decisions doesnt work that way. people, try to reduce your demands to what you think is really most significant, only that way we can come to any common conclusions.

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@wawa

Well, it's a start. It looks like as of this moment, people prefer an all-in-one keyboard running OS4 and are willing to pay either about $600 or $1200 for it.

@Samurai_Crow

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Samurai_Crow wrote: @thread It seems the poll has started.

Much too soon. Need to give it a day or two, but the MOS and AROS
people seem to be asleep.

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@Metalheart

How about bringing the AAA chipset to life? :)

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@Comi

"All segments of market even in Amiga world are covered."

IMHO:
X1000 is too expensive as a mass product for high end and it's CPU comes in limited quantity.
Therefore we soon need it's successor around 1000EUR price range.

SAM460/A1-500 are too expensive as low end.
I would see them as mid range in expansion capability, but even for that, cost reduction round would be needed (that could be the C= task) to get the price around 500EUR.

I could see LimePC X1 kind of product as the (ultra) low end. Or perhaps efika kind of product, but with 1Ghz single core PPC and PCIe for graphics or motherboard integrated R700 or Natami for basic GFX.

"Retro/classics - NatAmi"
That kind of product should be brought to production level, for me it should have PPC. Ideally I would love to see a Natami system that can also run modern Amiga games & resource efficient AOS4 apps.

>New projects from A- Eon and Varisys- one of them -possible PPC card-
>There is also second projest but we will se am I right for first gues..

To my understanding there's xcore PCI card + xorro card + x1000 successor + something else in the works (/plans).

"But first of all I like to see CUSA on Hyperion statement "getting licence for OS4""

I think they first need to know for what HW the licence is needed.

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@terminills

Zorro or PCI-E based?

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- I'd start the poll with the formfactor.

- Decide on the CPU architecture

- Decide on price range, high-end, low-end.

- Decide on which operating system it should ship with

- Then discuss the minimum requirements which could be both software and hardware requirements. Make polls and await how nothing would probably come from this.

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@Troels

Yes.

I'd think that...

-Are you willing to put your money in some sort of bounty for a platform of your choice (to gage interest)
-Should it be hard or software (emulation anyone)
-What kind of software
-What kind of system (like laptop, tab, phone, desktop, console etc)
-What sort of case should be used
-What OS should be used
-What CPU should be used
-Max price range

Any comments ?

Maybe first -What kind of system (as the rest would depend on the sort of system )

Should we consider viable options, that is: no project that obviously might take longer then a given time span like 6 months or whatever ?
Should we also keep the costs in consideration ?
Or else its back to the drawing board after CUSA ghets back to us about these.
For exampe an i7 PC laptop running native OS4.x doesnt seem likely, casue of the time it would take to port OS4, Also a new PPC machine more powerfull then the X1000 doesnt seem likely cause of development time and costs of end user machines.

AT what point should be check if there is enough interest ? And I guess the AW community is noot big enough to find 500 people who could be intersted, so how do we handle this ? Advertising ??


I personaly dont think the case is important as you can get any case you want and put the mainboard in there, but some seem to value a CBM Amiga marked casing. As with the X1000 I fnd that tower ugly and waste of money. Just my opinion.... Unless it's going to be an A1200 style box, that could be a selling point, buy again not for me...

Should or could we use Amibounty for this project ? It seems to be exactly what is needed

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@damocles

Guess you'll have to wait and see what the community decides. :D

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@djrikki

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djrikki wrote: @babsimov Whereas as I believe the opposite. Natami and FPGA are both stuck in the pre-OS4 era - waste of time - hardly a penny to be made in retro.

Any PPC machine will be obsolete anyway facing a PC. No one will spend a fortune on something that is basicly a disguised PC and has less than half the power of a PC while it costs more.

The Natami at a reasonably price offer something that does not exist elsewhere and therefore might interest an audience eager to get out of the mold. An ASIC 68050/68070 at 1,5 GHZ will be at least as much powerfull as a PPC at the same clock. But it also have a real Amiga chipset. When one remembers what was possible with a 68000 at 8MHz and OCS compared to competitor at the time (PC / MAC / ST), I think the Natami and the SuperAGA could be a great machine while quite comfortable for everyday use (internet etc ...).
CUSA could sell it back with the retro feeling, as they did with their C64 and TRON Legacy (if I remember correctly). I change my mind about the casing. A box type A1000 and a separate Amiga keyboard would be better (more expandability for the PCI slot). The keyboard Amiga might have both connector (PS/2 and USB). CUSA could then sell it separately for the "NG Amiga PPC". It would reduce their cost by production level (more market).
By the way, nothing prevents CUSA to produce later a card for the Natami with a PPC for those who would test the OS4 or a third party to do so.

@Metalheart
Amigabounty cannot be used (for various reasons) and wouldn't be suited either.

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@Troels

Realy ? why then ?

It is a bounty CUSA would accept when 500 people have donated to the total sum needed, and a refund could be implemented in the terms...

Doesnt matter, just curious, as it seemed fitting to me.

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@babsimov

While I'm all for a CUSA Natami, and agree with your thoughts about a PPC Amiga, I think it'll be prohibitively priced. That is even assuming Natami is ready for release. They've been working on it for years, and it's still not finished.

I believe Natami people were talking about it being $700+. And that's without an ASIC.

Would people here be willing to spend $1000 or more for a Natami? 500 people, I should say.

I think FPGA is the way to go for CUSA, just not sure if Natami makes sense financially. A Minimig or FPGA arcade probably could be done a lot more affordably. Also opens up possibilities for future products... handheld MiniMig anyone? But it still requires a lot of upfront money to convert the FPGA into a mass market type of chip to get prices down, if doing a large run. One key advantage to going MiniMig/FPGA Arcade or even Natami... I believe a great deal of current and past Amiga people would want one. None of this AOS4 or PPC bickering. Simple, and it's as close to a real Amiga as you are going to get.

Not so bad poll imho...
I vote to all questions :)

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@Nameless

i think an asic is a huge investment but also huge quantity, though also a huge risk.
fpha is not so huge an investment and may be targeting lower audience, but proce per unit is high.
therefore if any company is actually interrested in an investment, baking asic from well tested and mature fpga system would be an opportunity here.

@thread

what concerns ppc os4 machine we have apparently several solutions coming, one of which is considered being high end. i think demand is saturated until another ppc machine would either be significantly faster or cheaper. i dont see what it could be.

morphos fraction is obviously not interested, what i can understand.

and finally, i also do not see a necessity to attach dedicated hardware to aros, but a complete fully supported system with a housing could be an option. i do not know how well it would sell, therefore id rather propose amigalike housing, that could be even sold preconfigured with whatever hardware/system solution a customer prefers.
it doesnt exactly unite the community but at least everybody gets his share.

therefore most sensible but also risky option might be still the 68k experiment in whatever form.