@persia

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OR they get no product because of the divisions and the critics

Not at all. C-USA won't get a product out of this because how can they? This strategy is just daft. They need to decide what market they want to target and decide what product they think best fits.

They already know what sorts of products people are talking about - they need to decide which, if any, they can target. All this 'challenge' thing does is make things farcical.

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@-Sam-

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They already know what sorts of products people are talking about - they need to decide which, if any, they can target. All this 'challenge' thing does is make things farcical.

Who is "they" are you referring to, Amiga Community or C=USA?

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@bigbentheaussie

I think the only thing that could be really nice for amigaos community would be to finance port of MOS and AROS on X1000 and Sam as to unify hardware. I like MOS but it's definitely too hard for my amiga spirit to have to buy Apple Mac hardware for that.
It would be nice to have all AmigaOS flavors on a custom amiga hardware in the same way as you can run Windows or various Linux distros on PC hardware.

@Seblam

Yes, ONE unified platform for all Amiga-like-OS's out there.
Anyone remember teh Phoenix consortium, or that PPC platform-what-was-it-called for all PPC OS's ?

It would bring down hardware prices, number of usersof every OS would go up, more software would be developed, more users, lower prices, etc... etc....

Also one could run also an other OS then one's main OS if the need would exist to run that one app thats not available for one's main OS...

Perhaps there is CUSA's chalenge.
We call out for such a solution via a poll, ans let them sort out the rest. If it doesnt work out, fine, atleast we tried.

That one platform could be the X1000 to begin with, the money raised could be invested in porting MOS to it, boost AROS to run on it. Perhaps prices could come down, maybe not, but who knows....

Later a new machine could be build with the same goal in mind, for a lower price. Or even more powerfull.

Great idea IMO....

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@Metalheart

Yes that would make amiga hardware market more viable with more customers so cheaper hardware. And that could be the first step for a joint effort on an eventual AmigaOS5 that would have to migrate on new CPU architecture like ARM or x86 if PPC is not coming back into desktop

I think that would be great, we dont need new hardware from CUSA, they couldnt do better than acube or aeon on ppc side, and on x86 side there is no need for custom hardware, every thing already exists.

Personally, i would be interested to pay for financing MOS port on SAM and X1000.

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@Seblam

Exactly !

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@Seblam

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Personally, i would be interested to pay for financing MOS port on SAM and X1000.

I would be amazed to find MOS Devs interested in doing that.

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@Metalheart

And MOS would gain as well new customers while existing MOS user could stick with mac ppc if they prefer. I think it's really time for MOS/hyperion to stop the war, even if there was lot of ####. All wars have to stop one day, because you have only loosers in à war, no winner. So maybe X1000, CUSA, etc even if they did mistakes could be a good opportunity to unify community

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@damocles

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I would be amazed to find MOS Devs interested in doing that.

I agree with you but CUSA spoke about challenge, so maybe this is the real challenge. Forget the past and all amiga linked company working together. CUSA has the name, they show ability to produce nice custom case, ability for good marketing (cf Tron), hyperion/aeon to develop OS/custom hardware/porting modern technologies (Firefox frame work) and MOS the ability for optimizing OS very efficiently

When you think about that , it's just à shame to see so much talent in such stupid wars

@damocles

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Who is "they" are you referring to, Amiga Community or C=USA?

C-USA.

Could also apply to anyone who is interested in making money from this community.

My point is you don't need ANOTHER thread going over and over the list:

AOS4
MOS
AROS
PPC
x86
Natami
Custom cases

etc. etc.

Any astute business already knows the kinds of products people could be interested in. Yet another poll will gain nothing - especially one so misdirected that has no deadline but does have a crazily short and impossible to determine 6 month completion time from project commencement.

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@Seblam

Yes - AROS and MOS on the X1000 would be most welcome. I suppose if you want to drive it with a financial incentive then you need to set up a bounty - as long as one doesn't already exist of course.

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@damocles

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I would be amazed to find MOS Devs interested in doing that.

You're probably right - it just depends on how many people are interested to promote a drive to convert it. It's not really important either way.

Unless you want MOS on the X1000 of course.

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@-Sam-

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Quote: Quote: Who is "they" are you referring to, Amiga Community or C=USA? C-USA.

One of us is a bit confused on this subject then and it could be me. I don't see this as a great marketing exploit for C=USA on a uber selling item for the mass market. Whatever the Amiga Community decides on, may have some external marketing value or it may not. If I am understanding C=USA's position on this subject, they are not expecting the Amiga Community to decide on C=USA's next "Big Thing" but something the community wants to have.

In other words, it is about what the Amiga Community wants and not what C=USA wants. That places the burden on the Amiga Community to decide and organize the collection of monies for the third party escrow account. Then the ball is in C=USA's court to produce. I think this is a very fair deal for the Amiga Community to get something at cost while leveraging Barry's access to ODMs around the world. I will doubt you will ever see a deal this good ever again.

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@Hondo

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Wadda ya mean, fractured community ??? There's no split if your into AmigaOS 4.xx - everything is going fine here! The only split i see is MOS and AROS going their own way.

The blame game again.

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They decided that a loooong time ago.

So long that they pre-date OS4 in fact. You should have a bit more respect for other people's opinions. And you should make a choice - either stop making inflammatory posts like this or stop blaming MOS and AROS people for being the trouble-makers.

Chris

common sense dictates that a 68K project would have the best chance of happening, simply because of the number of users and the fact that almost all amigans are 68k friendly(that is, there is no split into camps like on the newer systems).

Maybe a run of the upgraded A1200/4000 boards...? Accelerator cards?

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@WolfToTheMoon

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Accelerator cards?

That's still the biggest poll response AW has ever had on a single yes/no topic...over 600.

If new PPC cards were available to buy, would you be interested?

I'm not trying to steer this to s/w, but I still think an application that benefits all is still the likely candidate to get supported by all groups and therefore might have the greatest chance to get support from "500".

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@number6

Those would be useless without support from either MOS Team or Hyperion, or maybe both.
Unless we're talking about a re-run of an already supported card. I guess that is the most realistic goal, since it could be done in a very short time frame and no additional software support would be needed.

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@WolfToTheMoon

Sorry, I'm confused by your response.

Are you saying that an accelerator is possibly a better choice than s/w ports we discussed earlier?

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@number6

well, it's the easiest choice simply because you've demonstrated that there is enough demand and it's already been done(designs could be bought and a new run made)

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@WolfToTheMoon

You don't know how much it pains me to have to say this...

The accelerator became a political issue. That's something I think we can avoid if we focus on a s/w port that might benefit everyone equally.

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