@Fats

I hate to say this but in my opinion they have full right to not make source code public.

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May I contact you guys to see if I can use part of your code to port Firefox to AROS ? Like Fab did help the OWB MUI port to OS4 ?

Download the Mozilla source, and start porting it - when you run in to specific problems, you could ask Friedens for help - do you expect them to hand out the entire project, before the bounty is even completed?

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Try asking again in a few months time when Timberwolf is actually finished not when its only on it's first Beta. *rolls eyes*

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They can keep it closed source and are not required to release the source to files not covered by the MPL(ie any newly created files). However they are obligated to release any changes they made to the original firefox source since they released a binary.


"3.2. Availability of Source Code.
Any Modification which You create or to which You contribute must be made available in Source Code form under the terms of this License either on the same media as an Executable version or via an accepted Electronic Distribution Mechanism to anyone to whom you made an Executable version available; and if made available via Electronic Distribution Mechanism, must remain available for at least twelve (12) months after the date it initially became available, or at least six (6) months after a subsequent version of that particular Modification has been made available to such recipients. You are responsible for ensuring that the Source Code version remains available even if the Electronic Distribution Mechanism is maintained by a third party."


Edit: Just to be clear they don't have to be public but they do have to be made available upon request.

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terminills wrote: @itix They can keep it closed source and are not required to release the source to files not covered by the MPL(ie any newly created files). However they are obligated to release any changes they made to the original firefox source since they released a binary. Edit: Just to be clear they don't have to be public but they do have to be made available upon request.

And that's _exactly_ what the bounty (and devs themselves) say since day-1, don't know why people continue to act as if it wasn't repeated a millions time already.

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Is correct to use gpl code, and then not publish the code?. I'm asking because i don't know how the gpl or open source works.

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@_ThEcRoW


First it's not gpl code it's MPL code. Can it be used in a closed source project? Yes certainly. It can be used in anything. You don't even need to have the same lic on your new files. However any changes to existing files have to be made available.

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_ThEcRoW wrote: Is correct to use gpl code, and then not publish the code?. I'm asking because i don't know how the gpl or open source works.

No it's not, but Firefox isn't GPL'ed.

(Edit, i meant Firefox and not Mozilla)

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@Nibunnoichi

I really don't care about the bounty. I do however care to make sure people using open source code follow the license properly.

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I really don't care about the bounty. I do however care to make sure people using open source code follow the license properly.

The bounty text cites the licence, if you dont' care about it and about chekcing your facts before stating incorrect things, then why should people care about your unverified opinion?

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@Nibunnoichi

Facts what facts am I wrong about?

Edit: I never claimed they weren't following it I was merely pointing out the requirements of the MPL. But in your little world pointing out the legalities of a license is an attack. So be it.

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@terminills

In the sense that the licence terms are already adressed but yet every now and then you see people debating on this non-issue.

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@Nibunnoichi


It's not a non issue it's a huge issue one that can get you sued. Stating something in the bounty and actually following it is another thing. The bounty does not need to be completed in order to for the source requirements to apply.

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terminills wrote: @Nibunnoichi It's not a non issue it's a huge issue one that can get you sued. Stating something in the bounty and actually following it is another thing. The bounty does not need to be completed in order to for the source requirements to apply.

The "non-issue" was refferred to some people regularly screaming that they are stealing something or similar things.
The bounty has a good amount of money so i guess it's in their interest to fulfill it!
It also contains an "escape plan" to prevent loosing the sources if they loose interest or can't update it anymore. That's why i say you should care about the bounty.

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Nibunnoichi wrote: @terminills Quote: terminills wrote: @Nibunnoichi It's not a non issue it's a huge issue one that can get you sued. Stating something in the bounty and actually following it is another thing. The bounty does not need to be completed in order to for the source requirements to apply. The "non-issue" was refferred to some people regularly screaming that they are stealing something or similar things. The bounty has a good amount of money so i guess it's in their interest to fulfill it! It also contains an "escape plan" to prevent loosing the sources if they loose interest or can't update it anymore. That's why i say you should care about the bounty.

So basicly you are saying that original License can be forgotten since there is a bounty?

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djrikki wrote: Try asking again in a few months time when Timberwolf is actually finished not when its only on it's first Beta. *rolls eyes*

Doesn't matter if it's beta, alpha or final if binary is released...

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3.2. Distribution of Executable Form If You distribute Covered Software in Executable Form then: such Covered Software must also be made available in Source Code Form, as described in Section 3.1, and You must inform recipients of the Executable Form how they can obtain a copy of such Source Code Form by reasonable means in a timely manner, at a charge no more than the cost of distribution to the recipient; and You may distribute such Executable Form under the terms of this License, or sublicense it under different terms, provided that the license for the Executable Form does not attempt to limit or alter the recipients’ rights in the Source Code Form under this License.

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So basicly you are saying that original License can be forgotten since there is a bounty?

I'm no native speaker either but are you able to read or are you just trying to purpousedly twist my words?
What part you don't understand from this:
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The bounty text cites the licence

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the licence terms are already adressed

Wherever i've said that you can forget the original licence when i was saying the exact opposite?

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@Spectre660
To be honest, I'm sort of burnt out on testing TW and figuring out workarounds. Since it slows down other apps on my system, I can't use it as my main browser yet anyway. For example, if I read a text file in Dopus4 while TW is running it takes Dopus4 5-15 seconds to respond after closing the text read window. TW seems to slow down parts of other programs too. Besides, I don't want to pick through a bunch of unrelated posts now that this topic has degenerated into another childish argument about opensource.

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Would someone be able to tell me how I can get rid of every file associated with Timberwolf so that I can be absolutely sure that a fresh install is infact a fresh install. I just spent a tedious time unarchiving a "fresh" copy of Timberwolf onto my SD card only to find that this new copy of Timberwolf "remembered" that I have changed my home page to an html file containing my bookmarks from the previous time I used Timberwolf earlier this evening. Is there a prefs file or config file stored somewhere else in the system that is loaded each time I run Timberwolf ? I could understand if it was storing stuff in my User-Startup file, but it is not.

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