@wawa

He is not spreading fud. AROS/x86 cant run 68k software natively in sense they would talk to each others like share 68k/x86 code.

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@itix

Alright, arosx86 cannot share libraries or clipboard with aros 68k hosted on it via uae, just like MOS or os4 cant do that with Apps they Need uae for. Perhaps One Day System Cnform 68k Apps might Run is aros x86 using just 68k emu like MOS and os4 do. But Saying aros68k hosted in aros x86 via uae can only run clock is far from truth.

Also aros 68k is becoming the Most compatible kickstart with the original 1.x- 3.x range, also Cross compatibility to Run aros Apps on original aos is considered. So its wrong to say aros 68k Runs 68k Software on original hardware by the Same means as os4/MOS. There is arosc Lib aros stuff is usually dependant, but i think its Safe to say 68k Apps Run natively.

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@amigadave

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The only minor problem that I concede has happened, is that the software development has not kept pace with the hardware

And announcing more new h/w that must surely scatter limited resources even further (think netbook, etc.) is going to solve that problem how? Seriously, I'm curious...

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@number6

Chicken and egg problem.
No new hardware in the pipeline causes decrease in interest in the platform .
The only easily available new hardware at the moment is the Sam460ex .


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number6 wrote: @amigadave Quote: The only minor problem that I concede has happened, is that the software development has not kept pace with the hardware And announcing more new h/w that must surely scatter limited resources even further (think netbook, etc.) is going to solve that problem how? Seriously, I'm curious... #6

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@Spectre660

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Chicken and egg problem. No new hardware in the pipeline causes decrease in interest in the platform .

Oh, so that is the reason for the decreasing interest in the platform?

Not the fact that 90% of the development team have ran away and somehow no replacements get recruited (despite volunteers lining up at ssolie's doorstep)?

Not the fact that a X1000 costs an arm and a leg, is only available after you announce your intent to buy one 4-6 months in advance and pay 2 (?) months in advance? Not the fact that it is still not properly supported by the OS?

Not the fact fact that the constantly shrinking group of faithful followers of the name gets more and more defensive each day, yelling at bystanders for asking innocent questions ("DMA IS OBSOLETE YOU FOOL! IF DMA IS YOUR HOBBY, BY A C64 AND A REU! IT WORKS HERE, SO GO TROLLING ELSEWHERE!") instead of asking their OS provider when or why he got insane?

Not the fact that there seems to be no plan for OS4 other than "port it to new hardware". Who needs a
roadmap, a vision for a proper desktop environment let alone a concept for a migration to memory protection if you can have some vague promises about multicore support?

Not the lack of apps, which is caused by the lack of users, which is caused by expensive, sub-standard hardware?

Not the fact that the development team hasn't been paid since... erm, ever?

Not the fact that after more than a decade of lies, broken promises and very stupid mistakes on all sides, the consensus seems to be that the best way to move forward is to pretend the last decade never happened and do it all over again ("the all new AmigaOne!")?

No, apparently it's the lack of announcements. Thanks, I was really worried for a while.

@cgutjahr

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Not the fact that there seems to be no plan for OS4

or for MorphOS or Haiku...

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Not the lack of apps, which is caused by the lack of users, which is caused by expensive, sub-standard hardware?

AROS seems to go against such logic.

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Not the fact that the development team hasn't been paid since... erm, ever?

You know more than rest of us. I hope you don´t work for tax office.

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Not the fact that after more than a decade of lies, broken promises and very stupid mistakes on all sides, the consensus seems to be that the best way to move forward is to pretend the last decade never happened and do it all over again ("the all new AmigaOne!")?

I fear there are only few who still remember this "glorious past". It is probably in human nature to repeat same mistakes again and again.

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No, apparently it's the lack of announcements. Thanks, I was really worried for a while.

Another announcement? Why not. I like announcements.


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No new hardware in the pipeline causes decrease in interest in the platform

True for time after the fall of Commodore. Today, it is only expensive hobby for shrinking community of "fanboys", some left, some return.

@pavlor

Each type of hardware in the pipeline is important.

The Netbook could increase the overall user base by largest number.
The X1000 with the ability to tap into high end graphics cards with the new Radeon HD driver and multiple displays plus Xena could bring some interesting high end ideas along.

And of course the Sam machines for the rest of us.

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@Spectre660

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Each type of hardware in the pipeline is important.

Cheap and powerful hardware (x86...) would certainly help increase user base.

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The Netbook could increase the overall user base by largest number.

Without doubt.

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The X1000 with the ability to tap into high end graphics cards with the new Radeon HD driver and multiple displays plus Xena could bring some interesting high end ideas along.

Too weak and expensive to be competitive. However, X1000 stands as solid base for further developement of AmigaOS (64 bit, multi core, Open GL, more than 4 GB RAM etc.). If its price descends under 2000 EUR, I will buy one (but I´m a little bit crazy).

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And of course the Sam machines for the rest of us.

Power of 10 years old PC for price of today high end workstations. Only Amiga...

On the other hand. It is useful and reliable hardware from trustworthy european manufacturer. Hopefuly there will be more powerful SAM model in future.

@damocles

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damocles wrote: @Dandy Quote: Not? Then it might be a semantic problem. I always thought if a machine/OS combo allows me to run old apps without having to install an emulator (the emu is already installed - e.g. JIT), then this is natively. But it's running on a emu, the JIT. If it can run AOS 68K natively, how about a video of you DBANing the AmigaOne drive

DBANing?
WTF is that?


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damocles wrote: and install WB 3.9 floppies

Now you must be kidding - OS 3.9 came on CD in a jewel case...

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damocles wrote: and then rebooting into WB 3.9, then I'll concede you are indeed running AOS 68K natively.

All this effort - just to make you happy?
Don't you think you demand a bit much?

I don't care if you agree with me or not if I call it "runnung natively". I explained how I mean it - and now lets focus on more important things...

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@pavlor

"Hopefuly there will be more powerful SAM model in future."

Simpler, low cost 1Ghz+L2+1GBRAM+PCIe would be more important than higher spec, IMHO.

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@cgutjahr

You have become a cheerful chap as of late!

Luckily, at least half of what you posted is blatantly wrong.

But then, don't let ignorance ever get in the way of a good rant! ;)

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Apathy vs anger.

I wonder which indicates caring?

Sure, the words one chooses to express a thought does make a difference, but still...

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@Hyperionmp

btw. we are half way through 2012, any news about AOS porting to netbook or multicore support or 3D?

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@Hyperionmp

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You have become a cheerful chap as of late!

Yeah, look what you did to me

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Luckily, at least half of what you posted is blatantly wrong.

It's good to see the old damage control mechanisms are still at work. There are no Articia bugs!

But since you're here anyway, how about telling us which of the points I brought up were "blatantly wrong"?

Let's go through them one by one: ssolie asked for developers who wanted to join the team, and reported he was very happy with the feedback he got. How many of these people have been added to the team?

@Dandy

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DBANing?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darik's_Boot_and_Nuke

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All this effort - just to make you happy? Don't you think you demand a bit much? I don't care if you agree with me or not if I call it "runnung natively". I explained how I mean it - and now lets focus on more important things...

I know you wouldn't do it, it can't be done since PPC can not run 68K code natively.

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Perhaps the best way to state it rather than say natively is to say OS4 (and MorphOS too) can run system-friendly 68K software in a "transparent" fashion for the user. Similar to the way Apple handled PPC code (until recently anyway).

I like how the OS can run this old stuff in the same environment. The user has no notion of whether the code is 68K or PPC. I hate running stuff if it has to launch an extra (3.1) Workbench screen or even an AmiCygnix screen for that stuff.

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@damocles

I think that when AmigaOS 4 and MorphOS users refer to running 68k software natively they are talking purely from a software point of view.

A 68k program could be written that targeted AmigaOS 4 OS or MorphOS calls that were not present in Amiga OS 68k.

Would you condsider such an application to AmigaOS 4 or MorphOS native?

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mbrantley wrote: ...I like how the OS can run this old stuff in the same environment. The user has no notion of whether the code is 68K or PPC. I hate running stuff if it has to launch an extra (3.1) Workbench screen or even an AmiCygnix screen for that stuff.

I hear ya but personally I don't give a rats arse how it works as long as it works in the end

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@klx300r

Now CUT THAT OUT!

There is no room in this community for rational, pragmatic thinking!

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@wawa

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wawa wrote: Also aros 68k is becoming the Most compatible kickstart with the original 1.x- 3.x range,

AmigaOS4 comes with the original roms legally licensed, i'm quite sure those are the most compatible with the originals.

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