Who's talking about "Big company marketing" - this is not what the amiga community wants atm but just some decent communications and a marketing plan towards us, the amiga community, the users, the buyers...is that too much to ask.


If they think like this:
"we dont need professinal looking websites, or good communication, because this is only the amiga community we can sell these products to at the moment"

Not going for the outside world customers is no excuse for not having a good marketing plan. The potential buyers are always important, and they fail at the marketing towards us amigans. If they fail here among customers who really love what they're doing, then they will fail miserably in the outside world.

They have to start with us....we're the reason why they're here after all.

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I guess AmigaOne 500 is not called X500 cause the "X" stands for Xena/Xorro (ox XMOS) technology wich is an X1000 "exclusive".

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They have to start with us....we're the reason why they're here after all.

You demand one thing, I demand another, someone else demands yet another. We are so good at demanding things be done our way, but we're not paying the bill. People say Their marketing is crap, their web site is crap, & will never be happy, no matter what they do. I find the most negative ppl are the ones that will never buy an x1000 & make all kinds of lame excuses why they won't.

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jorkany wrote: @Dandy Quote: Ahhh - that's much better now (although its still missing at "amigaone / sam")! The big difference seems to be, all the items on the amigaone/sam menu have a price. Maybe it's not so easy for AmigaKit to get a product into their database without a price. Just a guess as to why it's not in the expected location.

Hmmm - I don't think this can be the reason - the price is in the FAQ:
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/x1000/?webpage=faq

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Hondo wrote: @sundown Quote: I do realize that putting down the efforts of others is cheaper then supporting them. ... One good thing is that Acube are allowed to call one of their machines AmigaOne 500. But why is it not called X500 ...

Perhaps because there is no Xena/Xorro onboard?

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@Dandy

price in the faq. lol!

@wawa

Well, The A-EON homepage is much improved, and Amigakit has adjusted
the x1000 info link as we suggested.

Its not like they aint trying to accomodate the public, and from what Ive read on xxx threads, Amigakit user service is excellent and is getting nothing but praise.
With limited time on his hands, its good that its focused on service, and not trying to rival Apple on webdesign

Sundown made some quite good commments regarding this.

On the flipside, it is good if people point out flaws in a constructive manner, like the lack of link on Amigakit site, but praise when its fixed.

@Overflow

certainly, lets praise amigakit for fixing the link! we could also have a bounty to get x1k on the front page.

@Hondo

The X range of AmigaOne systems are Xena and Xorro equipped so therefore exclusive to A-EON Technology. A SAM460 should not be called an X500 as it is not equipped with Xorro slot or XENA co-processor.

Good communication of the developments within the AmigaOS Community is a good thing and the AmigaOS Official website is a good start for this and can be utilised further in future.

Marketing for the AmigaOne X1000 is reviewed on a batch-by-batch basis. Presently, there is no point in promoting a batch of AmigaOne X1000s which have already high organic demand within the Community. Good marketing is a substantial cost. Money is better spent on promoting AmigaOS generally to the outside world and of course developing new software applications which is *paramount* to the success of the next generation AmigaOS systems.

If you generate substantial outside interest in AmigaOS before Timberwolf and Gallium et al are ready, you may generate negative attitudes to this fledgling platform before it is ready for the mainstream limelight.

This seemingly sparce marketing approach by A-EON and AmigaKit may seem apathetic and non-structured. I understand that it can be frustrating from the Community's outside view looking-in. However, there is a larger plan which will be revealed in due course

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The X range of AmigaOne systems are Xena and Xorro equipped so therefore exclusive to A-EON Technology. A SAM460 should not be called an X500 as it is not equipped with Xorro slot or XENA co-processor.

i think its pretty clear but good to have confirmation.

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Good communication of the developments within the AmigaOS Community is a good thing and the AmigaOS Official website is a good start for this and can be utilised further in future.

but as i understand it is rather a fan site about amiga os. dont even know if officially recognized. what means of communication and linkage does it provide better than, say, this particular forum or hyperion support page?

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Marketing for the AmigaOne X1000 is reviewed on a batch-by-batch basis. Presently, there is no point in promoting a batch of AmigaOne X1000s which have already high organic demand within the Community. Good marketing is a substantial cost. Money is better spent on promoting AmigaOS generally to the outside world and of course developing new software applications which is *paramount* to the success of the next generation AmigaOS systems.

fair enough, but a product in this case would normally be available within web shop with a price marked, say, as temporarily available with a mention of the assumed availability of the next batch. of course if it cannot be handled within therms of service it would be a little dangerous to list it.

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If you generate substantial outside interest in AmigaOS before Timberwolf and Gallium et al are ready, you may generate negative attitudes to this fledgling platform before it is ready for the mainstream limelight.

and this is really spot on a comment.

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Quote: If you generate substantial outside interest in AmigaOS before Timberwolf and Gallium et al are ready, you may generate negative attitudes to this fledgling platform before it is ready for the mainstream limelight. and this is really spot on a comment.

Agreed.

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Agreed.

Lessons learned from the original what is X teaser.
Million(s) people became aware that Amiga developments exist, hundreds of thousands of people read those news posted on mainstream media.
For the slow progress after that might have given them disappointment.

Next time our niche manages to get that PR visibility, we better have PLENTY OF HW+SW on the shelves waiting for buyers! (not just dumbster HW or partially supported x86 boxes or insanely expensive stuff)

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@amigakit + all

correct, as the name says, it is a First-Contact... I never considered the X1000 FirstContact as Final Product for the market. I always pointed out on different forums/sites that I (personally) expect an "official launch" one day....

Launching a product isn't easy, you have to consider many facts:

- support situation
- is your marketing ready
- will your (web)store be able to handle the amount of potential customers
- will the press aware of launch ?
- Should they do a X1000 launch event ?
- Is OS 4.2 ready ?
and most important:
- is there anything which could hold back potential customers (like unfinished drivers, lacking software....) ?
- What happens next, what is in the pipeline as follow up ?
- We need some more sales "arguments" like Timberwolf etc...

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Why on earth do people "like myself" that have never felt dispair or uttered a degrading word about an Amiga ever have to put up with this constant BS from the masses outside the fence looking in?

Don't you people understand you have ALL had the same choices, you've all had the same chances. You hesitate you miss out, you don't have enough money, you're out of the niche market, you don't LIKE the Amiga systems of today, what are YOU doing here?

The X1000 in my book was dirt cheap, if you can't produce a lousy couple of grand to chuck on a bet take a good look in the mirror, you've obviously made some bad choices in your life (or blame your parents if it is more applicable). But to label people who have/create financial freedom a "rich boy [club]" is pure self pity.

As far as being Elitest, I've felt Elitest ever since I brought my first A500. Who gives a Frak it's all in my head, isn't YOUR perception of Life ALL in YOUR head? Of course it is, stop buggering around wasting your energy on boards like this and GO and get something that works for you and Enjoy!

Hey Trevor, put me down for 2 of the next X rendition! More Amigas!

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BTW. I consider BETATESTER a better name for early versions than EarlyBird or FirstEncounter.

Anyone buying BETATESTER HW knows what it means better than those "more beutifull" names.

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Except you're betatesting the OS, not the hardware. It's not always as black and white as you would like.

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Hey Trevor, put me down for 2 of the next X rendition!

Be careful what you wish for!

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@KimmoK

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Lessons learned from the original what is X teaser.

It was quite similar during the A1 project, with exposure and demand out pacing available product to purchase. You can prove this by reading posts about the short time period when the Micro A1-C was front and center.

As a result , I would have expected the lesson to have been learned in 2005.

otoh, I understand management as well and therefore understand why we tend to repeat our mistakes.

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If you generate substantial outside interest in AmigaOS before Timberwolf and Gallium et al are ready, you may generate negative attitudes to this fledgling platform before it is ready for the mainstream limelight.

Hilarious!

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So, anyone who can't pay more than $2000 on such computer have to look in the mirror?. Are you serious?. How you dare to say it's cheap?.

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