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NutsAboutAmiga 
Re: Broken X1000
Posted on 26-Feb-2013 23:46:50
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@amigakit

Thats one way to solve it, but does that not take time away form other tasks you need to do?

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Re: Broken X1000
Posted on 26-Feb-2013 23:58:01
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@sundown

I do not want to put blam on anyone, just think it was not thought through well enough, peaple do make mistakes thats way we are called humans and not androids.

I aslo lost that ISO file, before I got around to burn it, (I know about it, but I guess I wonted to play around whit the system) I was looking around in media toolbox and acidently my DH1 became a mess, I love to get my files back but I have no idea how to recover it, thats no ones fualt but my own, would have, should have, made backup (two months of work lost) and burned the cd but it does not matter.

My system boots and so its not big issue, even if it did not be one lucky too have the old XE so I get up and running.

I know AmiKit put lot of work into installing and setting up the computer, and its really nice.

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Re: Broken X1000
Posted on 26-Feb-2013 23:58:28
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@NutsAboutAmiga

It takes time but most users have made a backup of the ISO so it's not much of a problem.

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duga 
Re: Broken X1000
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So, have you managed to get it up and running?

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amigang 
Re: Broken X1000
Posted on 5-May-2013 18:27:08
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oops...

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Re: Broken X1000
Posted on 5-May-2013 23:25:27
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Or a Recover USB Memory Stick . http://wiki.amigaos.net/index.php/UserDoc:How_AmigaOS_Works#How_to_make_a_Bootable_USB_Memory_Stick_for_AmigaOS_4.1


Nice article! I hadn't seen that before.
Will this method of making a bootable USB stick work with a micro A1 as well?

Scott

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Re: Broken X1000
Posted on 6-May-2013 0:31:22
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@scabit

Dont know if the Micro A1 can boot from a USB device.
An IDE to SDcard or CF adapter should work though.

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Hypex 
Re: Broken X1000
Posted on 6-May-2013 14:15:09
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@scabit

I think it's possible. UBoot can actually boot off a USB drive. You can set USB as a boot source. However, it needs to scan the bus for a mass storage device first, before it acknowledges the USB drive. You can probably add a scan command to the mentboot variable, but I haven't tested this.

I've setup a USB stick via the aforementioned method. And in the UBoot CLI i manually booted it by issuing usb commands to scan the bus and then boot it.

However, after testing this method I don't think it's worth it. UBoot, at least on our AmigaOne machines, is horrendously slow at reading off USB. Consider USB1.0 speed, 1.5Mbps. Well taking overheads into account that should give at least 100KB a second. Not so! IIRC, it takes about a minute or even two almost to locate an SLB and then load it in!

What that? ~40KB of boot blocks. Off CD which is mechanical compared to electronic in this case it takes seconds! It's just not worth it. We have a bad UBoot full of old, buggy code that won't be fixed officially for our machines.

Might as well use eSATA. Or a USB to IDE/SATA adapter if it existed.

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Re: Broken X1000
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@Hypex

Nice to know that it can be done .
It could help someone in the event of the CD/DVD reader acting up and not having a quick replacement available.
It takes me from 5-7 days to get small replacement parts shipped to me.
Larger items can wait 35 miles away from me for up to two weeks before they reach.
So total time between order and delivery can be up to three weeks.

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@scabit

I think it's possible. UBoot can actually boot off a USB drive. You can set USB as a boot source. However, it needs to scan the bus for a mass storage device first, before it acknowledges the USB drive. You can probably add a scan command to the mentboot variable, but I haven't tested this.

I've setup a USB stick via the aforementioned method. And in the UBoot CLI i manually booted it by issuing usb commands to scan the bus and then boot it.

However, after testing this method I don't think it's worth it. UBoot, at least on our AmigaOne machines, is horrendously slow at reading off USB. Consider USB1.0 speed, 1.5Mbps. Well taking overheads into account that should give at least 100KB a second. Not so! IIRC, it takes about a minute or even two almost to locate an SLB and then load it in!

What that? ~40KB of boot blocks. Off CD which is mechanical compared to electronic in this case it takes seconds! It's just not worth it. We have a bad UBoot full of old, buggy code that won't be fixed officially for our machines.

Might as well use eSATA. Or a USB to IDE/SATA adapter if it existed.

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Hypex 
Re: Broken X1000
Posted on 18-May-2013 6:05:24
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@Spectre660

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It takes me from 5-7 days to get small replacement parts shipped to me.


I estimate it would take 5-7 days to boot off USB!

For emergency yes it would be useful. But it would also take ages. You could be waiting an hour at least just to load the Kickstart. Then OS4 needs to be able to continue booting off USB.

If UBoot could read at the speed the on board hardware supports (USB1.1 ~900KB/s) this wouldn't be a major issue.

Booting off TFTP would be faster.

But if a custom boot loader could be written that sets up the hardware to speed up
USB this might be a viable option.

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Kicko 
Re: Broken X1000
Posted on 1-Jun-2013 18:07:39
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Im back :)

Got my board swapped to a new one as the repair takes some time and amigakit dont want me to wait too long. Man im happy. There was times i thought i will finally leave amiga and concentrate on windows and android. Seems im doomed to stay an amigan.

Once an amigan... always an amigan ;) Thanks amigakit

Oh right i bought a new psu just to be sure everything is ok.

x1000 (bomb kit)

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pavlor 
Re: Broken X1000
Posted on 1-Jun-2013 18:16:37
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@Kicko

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Im back :)


Enjoy!

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wawa 
Re: Broken X1000
Posted on 1-Jun-2013 18:19:45
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@Kicko

at last! seems the actually broken boards are irreparable, but good to know that the warranty obligations are taken seriously and users are served with replacement.

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mbrantley 
Re: Broken X1000
Posted on 1-Jun-2013 18:28:55
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@Kicko

Glad you're up and running again! You're one of my favorite Amigans (because you use your machine for creativity puruits like so many Amiga users did in the old days), so glad we didn't lose you.

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sundown 
Re: Broken X1000
Posted on 1-Jun-2013 20:13:43
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@Kicko

Good news Kicko, I know how it feels to buy a new system, only to have to send it back. It feels great when it comes back again.

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Kicko 
Re: Broken X1000
Posted on 1-Jun-2013 23:47:53
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Thanks all, its good to be active again :)

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Rob 
Re: Broken X1000
Posted on 2-Jun-2013 2:39:45
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@Kicko

I'm glad to hear you're up and running again. Do you plan to do more vids of making music on the X1000?

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klx300r 
Re: Broken X1000
Posted on 2-Jun-2013 3:04:54
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@Kicko

great news

like you I can't imagine my home without a working Amiga, was and still is my favourite OS

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amigadave 
Re: Broken X1000
Posted on 2-Jun-2013 4:11:50
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@Kicko

I hope you learned a few lessons from this experience.

1. Always have a recent backup of your system available in a safe location.

2. Never ask for repair advice here in the forums as your first plan of attack to resolve any issues with your X1000. You should be asking on the official Hyperion forums for the X1000 and/or directly to AmigaKit and A-Eon instead.

3. When making changes to your X1000, always take your time and think them through completely before you begin.

I'm glad it all worked out for you, but disappointed that you started a thread about it here before actually contacting Hyperion, AmigaKit, or A-Eon first.

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PR 
Re: Broken X1000
Posted on 2-Jun-2013 6:53:23
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@amigadave

We are a family no? ;) I'd tell my brother before etc... ok I'll cut the crap off.
Did maybe the same "mistake" with my XE.


@kicko

Good it's going. My quite expensive repaired XE is waiting for some serious stuff still.
Waited for a long time and then saw that nothing really has happened in the printing, web etc area. Maybe a nice machine for a museum but still hoping and bought OS4,1 for support and to be compatible with the office, printing and browsing.

How can it be so hard? In 1997 it was very good. IB, FW,DP, TurboPrint.

Not turning to linux as it would be the same as buying an expensive different xx car and putting a cheap different engine inside. Not a good One but hope the best with the One!

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