@amitv
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Please close this thread

He has same right as you to post and open threads at this forum as long as he is a member..

@Nameless
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if you piss off Amiga people, you won't have any market at all

The amiga people are aging people so some sort of market needs to be created and if you don't intend to do something than let some else do something about..

i am not a linux lover or user but i hate to see amiga stuck in 1st gear and young blood is needed or some sort of plan to go up the ladder again not get stuck in hyperion's "Monopoly" + expensive ppc boards..

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@serk118

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some sort of plan

There is some plan? Doesn´t seems so.

@serk118

Do you really view Linux OS4 as 'doing something' about expanding the Amiga market? What does it even have to do with Amiga, or any Amiga OS, besides a similar name to Amiga OS4 and a boing ball logo?

And I think their best and only real market would be their PPC version of Linux OS 4 for existing PPC Amigas. And that is a pretty tiny market to begin with.

I don't see any x86 person paying for what they can get for free already. And if they piss off current Amiga people, I don't see even the PPC people supporting then.

I should add that I don't own OS 4 (Amiga version) and think PPC is a dead-end longterm. So don't have bias regarding Hyperion or what amiga-flavor they should favor. I am just stating my opinion in regard to how they could make any money at all.

My preference for an expanded Amiga market is really related to Linux OS 4 -- retro gaming, FPGA/ASICS, and/or ARM versions of AROS/MorphOS/OS4. That is one way to do it ... releasing Linux with an Amiga emulator probably isn't.

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@eliyahu

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just to clear all of this up, did you or did you not have a completed licensing

As of one hour ago, he does not have a contract with Cloanto - that's what Mike Battilana from Cloanto tells me. There was an "initial contact", but that's it. Mike is willing to publish the entire mail exchange if Mr. Dohnert agrees - though I honestly don't think we should blow this whole thing up like that.

Let's just file this under "dumb things Dohnert claimed" and get on with our lives.

@cgutjahr

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Let's just file this under "dumb things Dohnert claimed" and get on with our lives.

But yet, just like the blue planet logo, offer still stands
http://www.os4online.com/2013/07/licensing-amiga-forever-and-fs-uae.html

Note it also mentions FS UAE, great emulation layer avail also for Linux and MacOS X
http://fs-uae.net/

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Since Amiga Forever doesnt develop a Linux version we will be distributing OS4 OpenLinux 13.5 and 13.6 with the FS-UAE emulator which is best of breed on Linux systems and is freely available.

Note that FS UAE doesn`t support PPC Linux, so this "features" and "offer" might be limited to x86
OS4 Open Linux

Overall DW page
http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=07944

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@pavlor
He has a plan and i like to watch and learn..

@Nameless

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Do you really view Linux OS4 as 'doing something' about expanding the Amiga market

NO and i like to see how far can he go..

You can emulate amiga via any linux distros and he is not doing anything special other than just the name "Linux OS4" and trying to sale free advert here.

chit chat at forums wont open any doors so lets see how far can he go...

All i like to see action man doing 10% of what he said so far..

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@cgutjahr

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cgutjahr wrote: @eliyahu Quote: just to clear all of this up, did you or did you not have a completed licensing As of one hour ago, he does not have a contract with Cloanto - that's what Mike Battilana from Cloanto tells me. There was an "initial contact", but that's it. Mike is willing to publish the entire mail exchange if Mr. Dohnert agrees - though I honestly don't think we should blow this whole thing up like that. Let's just file this under "dumb things Dohnert claimed" and get on with our lives.

This all sounds too oddly like when CUSA claimed they had licensing rights to Amiga Forever and we're allowed to redistribute it with their attempt at a OS. But as that got picked apart they rapidly changed their tune from licensing and redistribution to just having a vague agreement to use the Kick roms.

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@cgutjahr

Just to clear all of this up :

Is Mike B. of Cloanto willing to sign a contract with Roberto D. as
everyone seems to imply that he would be perfectly happy to do
or in fact he wants nothing to do with it and there is no force
on this earth that would make him sign such an agreement with
Roberto ?

And if they are in fact still in the process of negotiating terms
of such agreement it is a lousy thing to ask , I know ...
And if they are done negotiating and it is not going to
happen what is the reason ?

@blizz1220

I would be surprised if Mike B of Cloarno wouldnt be willing to negotiate. They already have possiblity to enroll as their affiliate and get I think it was 30 percent of the sell price.

So why wouldnt he give at least the same deal to Robert J Dohnert?

@Bugala

I have no idea so I'm asking ...

@cgutjahr

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cgutjahr wrote: @eliyahu Quote: just to clear all of this up, did you or did you not have a completed licensing As of one hour ago, he does not have a contract with Cloanto - that's what Mike Battilana from Cloanto tells me. There was an "initial contact", but that's it. Mike is willing to publish the entire mail exchange if Mr. Dohnert agrees - though I honestly don't think we should blow this whole thing up like that.

Thank you for this information!!

I will now put my Donhert/ dir inside my Liars/ dir inside my brain so I will know to automatically disregard anything he says in the future. Thank you ever so much.

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@ChaosLord

"We are pleased to announce that we have come to terms with
Cloanto on the redistribution and licensing of their popular product
Amiga Forever. Amiga Forever is the premier emulation technology
of the classic Amiga systems on x86 hardware. The Amiga forever
package comes with 5 hours of video. Over 200 game ROMS and
Amiga OS 3.x.

Since Amiga Forever doesnt develop a Linux version we will be
distributing OS4 OpenLinux 13.5 and 13.6 with the FS-UAE emulator
which is best of breed on Linux systems and is freely available.

The OS4 OpenLinux + Amiga Forever bundle will cost $115.00
and will start shipping from the OpenSystems Marketplace, Tues
July 16, 2013. You can place your orders now."


If you can show me where does it say that the contract was
made and signed at this very moment and not that it will be
made / signed from Tues July 16, 2013 then I will call Roberto
a liar too , yes ...
"Agreement" and "come to terms" doesn't spell "we signed
a contract on this" ...
So , considering that this thing has already blown waaay out
of proportion , maybe I should wait for some official info ...

@blizz1220

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blizz1220 wrote: @ChaosLord "We are pleased to announce that we have come to terms with Cloanto on the redistribution and licensing of their popular product Amiga Forever. Amiga Forever is the premier emulation technology of the classic Amiga systems on x86 hardware. The Amiga forever package comes with 5 hours of video. Over 200 game ROMS and Amiga OS 3.x. Since Amiga Forever doesnt develop a Linux version we will be distributing OS4 OpenLinux 13.5 and 13.6 with the FS-UAE emulator which is best of breed on Linux systems and is freely available. The OS4 OpenLinux + Amiga Forever bundle will cost $115.00 and will start shipping from the OpenSystems Marketplace, Tues July 16, 2013. You can place your orders now." If you can show me where does it say that the contract was made and signed at this very moment and not that it will be made / signed from Tues July 16, 2013 then I will call Roberto a liar too , yes ... "Agreement" and "come to terms" doesn't spell "we signed a contract on this" ... So , considering that this thing has already blown waaay out of proportion , maybe I should wait for some official info ...

Completely fair point.

I will now move Donhert out of my Liar/ dir into my QuestionablePossiblyLikesToExaggerate/ dir

My apologies for jumping the gun.

I guess I was just so mad at him for "honoring" Barry Altman that I leaped to quickly. I am really sorry I leaped to quickly.

AFAICT Barry Altman had no honor in the Amiga community. He definitely never did anything positive for the Amiga community and should not be an honored part of the Amiga community. I can name 30 ppl off the top of my head who deserve to be honored for their real true and hard work for the Amiga community 1024x more than "Barry Altman".

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I think serk118 got a good perspective on things.
Other than that, this is what i get from reading this thread;

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g

Last edited by Overflow on 16-Jul-2013 at 04:54 AM.

@thread

I'm going to share something said in regards to this thread in irc, "not unusual for a bunch of computer geeks... nitpicking that is."

Yup, that about sums it up.

I've never seen a larger collection of wet blankets in my entire life, and I once worked in a commercial laundry. Honestly! All of you step back and look at what you've written, why on earth would anyone want to do ANYTHING for this community if this is the kind of reception they get from the members?

I'm not suggesting putting on fake smiles and have the sun begin shining from your backsides but, please, how about we all let up on the constant nit-picking negativity?

Consider that a direct request from a Moderator!
Thank you!

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@Yo

You are right that some react to sensible sometimes. But it can be explained (besides using insulting phrases or personal attacks) that we had too much people promising things (and not keeping it after) using "marketing phrases" and "hyping" instead of offering realistic ideas (and really making them real). So perhaps Roberto should do less "hyping" and instead be nearer to reality. And we should forget the unrealistic promises (or better ideas) he had and look what he is really doing in future. I read the "Cloanto announcement" again.

"to terms with Cloanto". We all interpreted it as "we have signed a contract/have a agreement with" but it propably can be interpreted as "we were informed by Cloanto how we can use AmigaForever legally" too. So if you see it this way he is certainly not "lying". But it is not clearly written, you can interpret it different ways. I would recommend him to write it clearly and not too much "marketing" there.

@all

People here see it too much through their own "glasses". We are (mostly) longterm computer user/developer who have much more knowledge than the average computer user (I know that because I am self-employed and have a couple of customers). We are certainly not the main target group for this distribution. Today with the NSA scandal (and american companies involved and not trustworthy) there is room for something that is based on Linux (opensource) and as easy to use as Windows and specially targetting beginners (former Windows user).

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@OlafS25
NSA opensource = safe : D muhahahaha! Sure ; ) But only if you use only your own code and own repositories... open = open in every aspect.
Even debian guys have warned users not to use some strange repositories for multimedia stuff and codecs (things people like to use and a proper target to get access to your data , remember while installing such things, youself enter the root passwort which opens everything)

No one is safe, execpt you run totally selfbaked code.

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@phoenixkonsole

But f.e. Microsoft had to admit that they offer support to NSA (even when you use encryption) and there were always rumors that there are unofficial backdoors in Windows. I do not know of Apple and others but I have no trust in any american company at all. So using opensource is not 100% but at least there is a chance (higher than with most american based commercial products).

And even if (nothing is 100%) it is not important. More important is what potential customers think, if they think "commercial products" like Windows are unsafe and Opensource is safe (or at least much safer) then you can sell it (if it really replaces Windows).

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@Yo

Yo, picture a dog that, for years, has been beaten again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again.

Approach it gently, approach it with a bone, too, and that dog will anyway retreat and start to growl.

r.




ps: and then, if you approach it telling him that you just signed a contract with the butcher to provide him grade A bones and that your bones are the best alternative to a steak, rest assured - the dog will bite. Ahem.

@resle

You know what happens with dogs that bite humans?