@agami

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shipping to Australia is merciless on the wallet.

Agreed, same to New Zealand. That is one of the reason why AmigaKit are offering the Nemo board + AmigaOS 4 options for system builders. The Cyrus Plus board will also be available as a standalone option.

TrevorD

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@wawa

Oh, so now wawa is some great prophet of what is Truth and what is fantasy or lies???

Give it a break man!

You have gone over the edge now and can't find your way back to reason and objectivity.

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@TrevorDick

my bad

@amigadave

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Oh, so now wawa is some great prophet of what is Truth and what is fantasy or lies???

neither me nor anyone here is a prophet. nor have i accused anyone of lies.

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Give it a break man!

will do.

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@wawa

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neither me nor anyone here is a prophet.

So we are all agreed that the AmigaWorld forums are a
"non-prophet" organization??

Just checking.

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@eliyahu

we should not start with politics here because a lot of could be said here and it would not make the discussion better...

@mbrantley

I could say something too but I better do not. Let Politics out of this please...

@guruman

"BTW, I find quite ridicolous that in a "world" of around a couple of thousand people worldwide (i.e. the Amiga community), someone still takes it so seriously to issue things like NDAs..."

the same is on ARIX where you have to sign a NDA to betatest... For me it is silly. What "secrets" have they to protect and against whom? Apple, Microsoft, Google?

@OlafS25

This is wandering Off Topic, so I am hesitant to comment further on your message, but I can see why some people working on projects wish to keep their work private, or even secret, until they are ready to reveal what they are doing. In such cases, an NDA makes at least a little sense. I don't think they are requiring an NDA because they believe that they are re-inventing the computing experience and feel that they need to protect themselves from predatory companies, like Microsoft, or Apple, but they still deserve their privacy, if that is what they wish.

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@amigadave

I respect it too... I would not sign it

But still I think we need not more "NDA"s but more communication (inside and outside the community)

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@amigadave

Not to mention that bugs in a beta-test should not be something that gets blown up as news. Just imagine the field-day the haters (in general, just pick a concept and someone will be strongly opposed to it) would have if they knew about all the things that are wrong when you do beta testing.

As a beta tester you WILL get information that is not known to the general public, and since common courtesy stopped existing some time back, an NDA is used to make sure you don't release said information.

Try getting a datasheet from Marvell. THEN you'll know how silly an NDA can be.

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@OlafS25

You say we need more communication, others say we shouldn't get announcements unless the products are done.

It's hard to please both views.

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Using "voltage" instead of "potential", which leads to inventing new words like "amperage" instead of "current" (I, measured in A) or possible "charge" (amperehours, Ah or Coulomb, C). Sometimes I don't even know what people mean.

@olegil

if someone uses a bug as "news" you can still throw him out of the program (no further updates in future). And "Beta" of course means that not all is tested and all bugs are fixed.

And feedback by potential users can never be bad otherwise you do something and get the "negative" feedback when all is too late. I am not sure if that is better, At least there should be much more communication f.e. weekly or monthly updates, roadmap and so on so people know what is worked at (and that there is something worked on at all) otherwise you can get the impression that the work has stopped.

@OlafS25

Well, you know the frenzy aw.net, amiga.org or moobunny will have over the most minor bug "news".
Not that I think Aeon/Trevor would care a whole lot since he seems driven to reach his goals no matter what level of negativity hes exposed to.

But all the same, why give the random naysayer something he will precive as "proof" for failure this and that.

Yes, many of us will be able to understand the consept of "developement" and that it will have bugs, failures etc.But judging by what Ive read here and elsewhere, thats not the case for everyone.

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@Overflow

I am aware that there are people hating certain companies/people but you do not communicate to your haters but to the others (user/potential users). So I still think that the lack of communication is one problem of our platform. But that is offtopic and will not change. For me personal NDAs are a no-go but that has everybody decide for himself.

@OlafS25

Personally I agree with you, since I never take what I read on a random forum/newsoutlet as the defacto truth. I usually read, doublecheck and just add it up.

But given the nature of internet, I do see the NDA perspective too, even tho its not needed in my or maybe your case

@OlafS25

If being thrown out for breaking the NDA is a rule, then surely you must have signed the NDA

And as I said, many people here do not agree with you on the need for updates except for when something is actually finished, so just accept that you won't get your way on that. I suggest buying a helmet to deal with how hard life is

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Using "voltage" instead of "potential", which leads to inventing new words like "amperage" instead of "current" (I, measured in A) or possible "charge" (amperehours, Ah or Coulomb, C). Sometimes I don't even know what people mean.

@olegil

thanx for suggestion I will think about it

It is not hard, I do not sign NDAs so I do not take part on "beta" testing. I have not sleepless nights because of this.

I do not have the problem to deal with rumors and false informations spreading because I do not communicate to the outside. Rumors and "informations" like "I have heard this or that from someone but I cannot say who" are the result of wrong information policy.

Just my two cents

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@guruman

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He seemed to confirm that X-Kernel was actively under betatest, but then specified that it is under development.

Yes I suppose that was a bit vague. The info I was distilling was just a repeat of the info given out at AmiWest. The X-Kernel is under developement and it would be tested of course during this development period, even if I'm not testing it myself.

It also has a link the the Cyrus project and beyond with the X5000 and the like.

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Is this really needed?

First, the obvious, Hyperion's link to a lawyer. Second, I don't think the NDA was put in place to protect them against other companies, it was put there to protect them against us; I mean me. Or people like me, who are invited into the "inner circle". It's just to protect their IP and stop us running around gossiping about the latest developments. Some "invites", who will remain unnammed, violated the NDA and shared private info. So a huge fine worth more than an X1000 is a deterrent not to insult the work of the developers and run loose in the crowd with naked info.

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@OlafS25

Politics? The Teddy Roosevelt quote? That's some stretch.

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