@Hypex
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Hypex wrote: @KimmoK Quote: To my understanding beta testers have access to xkernell with alpha/beta multicore support. Feel free to correct if I'm wrong. You understnad correcrly. So, multicore support is being worked on, this is public knowledge. And we have nothing to complain about now because it's in the works!

Are you a beta tester?

Kind regards,
Andrea

@Tomas


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Which they also said years ago which was long before they even mentioned 4.2.
The x1000 has been out of production for quite some time already and yet no multicore support or proper gfx drivers. Maybe in another decade it will finally have some sort of SMP support..... [/quote]

Care to elaborate where was multicore amigas before x1000 ?

@Tomas

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The x1000 has been out of production for quite some time already

Really? Probably best that you don't tell AmigaKit, they are still selling them!

AmigaKit sells the X1000

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@Tomas

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Maybe in another decade it will finally have some sort of SMP support.....

That's why it was called the X1000. It's all in the naming convention. Times One CPU supported .

A dual core CPU is just coincidence to me, good to have, but I think the best CPU for price and availability

Now, an X2000. I'd expect that to have SMP support yes.

However, there is also Xena on the boards for multicore programming and also a 64-bit CPU. Like the 68020, AmigaOS can be optimised for 64-bit operations.

@guruman

Yes, but I'm not beta testing the X5000, nor testing the naming though I believe it to be stable and the X5000 name to be ready for public release.

@lylehaze

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lylehaze wrote: @Tomas Quote: The x1000 has been out of production for quite some time already Really? Probably best that you don't tell AmigaKit, they are still selling them! AmigaKit sells the X1000

I guess i must have missed some news then?? Because I recall that the last batches were sold out a while ago and back then it didnt sound like they were going to another production run.

@lylehaze

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Quote: The x1000 has been out of production for quite some time already Really? Probably best that you don't tell AmigaKit, they are still selling them! AmigaKit sells the X1000

I dont know if they are going to produce yet another batch but generally speaking it can be out of production when it is still on sale.

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@itix

I imagine Amigakit do another run when the last one has sold out, and when they have enough pre-orders. That's when the last run happened, anyway, I'm pretty sure. It's not "out of production" until they are no longer willing to commission another run, and that's not the case. The X1000 is still alive and well, and it's still the current flagship AmigaOS 4 machine.

Come to think of it, I'm not sure something like this that is production on demand can ever be "out of production", can it?

@itix

I hope the smaller cpu option will gave the Same Gflops of the lastest G5Quad (8 y old)
21Gflops

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@tlosm

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I hope the smaller cpu option will gave the Same Gflops of the lastest G5Quad (8 y old)

If you mean P3041 based X3500, then certainly not. e500mc is probably slower per MHz in FPU demanding applications than good old G4.

@pavlor

exactly half the speed per MHz, as it's running at half the core clock speed.

The e5500, on the other hand, brings back the full clock speed FPU from the e600 (which you call G4). What a G5 does in all this is very hard to know, though.

Oh, and e500mc/e5500 has no SIMD. G4 (e600), G5 (IBM, so doesn't have a freescale core designation. Also includes the X1000 CPU) and e6500 does. So in some respects, the X3500 and X50x0 is a step in the wrong direction. In others, it's not. YMMW.

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IIRC, G5 is about the same speed per MHz as a G4, but can reach higher clock.

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@Tomas

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I guess i must have missed some news then?? Because I recall that the last batches were sold out a while ago and back then it didnt sound like they were going to another production run.

There was a new batch delivered in November 2013, and holiday sale was announced at that time. I can find no evidence of having been out of stock since then.
I did find these:
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However, the AmigaONE X1000 is available now

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AmigaONE X1000 is still A-EON's flagship product and a high priority.

by looking no further than the thread you are reading right now.

So I guess it depends on what you mean by "I recall", "a while ago", and "it didnt seem like".

I guess you'll believe whatever you want to.

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@Hypex
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Hypex wrote: @guruman Yes, but I'm not beta testing the X5000, nor testing the naming though I believe it to be stable and the X5000 name to be ready for public release.

So you are running the X-Kernel, right?

Kind regards,
Andrea

@WolfToTheMoon

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IIRC, G5 is about the same speed per MHz as a G4, but can reach higher clock.

For 32bit applications, yes.

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@guruman

Are you just trying to get Hypex to blow his NDA?

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@guruman

No I'm using Mac OSX-Kernel.

Otherwise I am mostly using a standard OS4 kernel. On my AmigaOne. But I have no X5000. It sure sounds powerful. One can dream.

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@thread

Well I dislike the name. Out of the alpha + kilo-numeral options they presented the best letter was always going to be X, but I just dislike the whole crappy naming convention; blah blah blah thousand, so '80s.

"Because thousand is better than a hundred"

In my submission comments I attempted to educate them on the basic point of branding, alas one can lead horse to water but one cannot make it drink.

I've been thinking about it for a while and I think it has finally crystallised in my mind why I have an aversion toward A-Eon; their story is inconsistent and all over the place. It's a very visceral response to the erratic signalling, and this name game is yet another fumble; "We'll let the community choose (because we're such nice guys and care about the community), here are your choices:

1. Crap crap-thousand
2. Crappy crap 3041
3. Fugly crap 5020
4. Fuglier fugly 5000/crap
5. AmigaOne X5000

"The community has voted and we will listen (because we're such nice guys and care about the community), we will go with AmigaOne X5000 (and permutations).

It's pandering is what it is. You really want the community to name this thing? Then let the community suggest, nominate, and then vote on the options. It's not like we've got something else to do, and these things aren't coming out anytime soon so we have plenty of time.

It'd be a lot more worthwhile than that stupid mystery puzzle thing back in 2010. Yes, that's how far back these shenanigans go.

"Lay off them agami, Trevor is a super nice guy and everyone at A-Eon and AmigaKit is really nice and are doing things with the best intentions". No disrespect to the Trevor and colleagues but good intentions are not good enough.

I consider myself a member of the Amiga community, this and similar websites are a forum for members like me to voice an opinion. The topic is related to the result of the naming poll and the naming choice of the next wave of AmigaOne computers from A-Eon. More than just disliking the name I deplore the manner in which the Amiga community was manipulated in participating.

Others may not feel manipulated. Have a poll about the colour choice for the X5000 case and offer the choice of:

1. Diarrhoea Brown
2. Steely Grey

And they will still feel like they were considered and given a choice. No manipulation, no games.

I'm done, you can ban me now.

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@agami



I sort of agree with you with regards to the name(s).

X5000 isnt particularly catchy.

It sort of makes sense if you come from the "old guard" that remembers the A500, 1000, 1200, 4000 etc
line.
X1000 keeps in line with that tradition and it somewhat resonates with us.

SO, if Aeon/Trevor was aiming to only appeal to the 30+ years old guys with an old c64/amiga on the loft that now got a decent income plus a sense of nostalgica that is increasing proportional to the retreating hairline..? Then the X5000 hit the mark

If he/they have bigger aspirations, then some more thought should be put into the branding.

I remember I used to use vista/yahoo as online search. But the term "just Google it!" kinda stuck.
Apples Ipad, ipod, ixxx etc is "catchy" (even if you dont like the hardware/OS)
Same with SteamOS, Steampowered etc

The list is long, and AmigaOne X5000 doesnt quite cut it in that regard.

But it all comes down to the target group.

For a hobbyist OS4 user that just enjoys the expirience, I doubt the name matters a whole lot.

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