@Rob

I belive there are two different versions of amigaboot.of one version boots look for kickstart modules on the CD, the other one looks for kickstart modules on HD, there is no version of it that I know of that looks for kickstart modules on CF or USB.

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Rob wrote: @Severin Further to the above: CFE can currently boot from the root of FFS, FAT and CD/DVD. For a boot able CD you need to make sure that amigaboot.of is in the root. Simple enough. I currently have amigaboot.of on a 1MB partition of a card in the CF slot. I formatted it using a CF-IDE adapter.

I've tried 2 kingston 8GB CF cards in my X1000, both have had linux stuff put on them before I totally gave up on it.

Both cards have died within a couple of months.

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@Severin

Thats no fun.

However, I have Linux on 2 CF cards and they are working just fine (??).

One of the cards is in a PATA to CF adapter I got from AmigaKit last October and
the other is on the MB CFcard at least 18 months now. One is kingston the other SanDisk.

I do not boot Amiga from the CF, but I do have 3 or 4 Linux kernels scattered around
on drives and CF cards.

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I belive there are two different versions of amigaboot.of one version boots look for kickstart modules on the CD, the other one looks for kickstart modules on HD, there is no version of it that I know of that looks for kickstart modules on CF or USB.

I think you mis-understood me. I have amigaboot.of installation a CF card but the rest of the system is on on SATA Hybrid drive.

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Not even USB? Are you sure?

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@Deniil715

Its just a observation how the amigaboot.of works. Basically what amigaboot.of version that is loaded decide where to load the kickstart modules from. Even if it was possible to load kickstart modules from USB, you need to put a filesystem on it is supported by amigaboot.of that's only ISO 9660 or FastFileSystem. Yes its a shame, it might have been lot easier to rescue a X1000, with FAT formated USB sick, instead of burning CD's with iso 9660 and put files on it.

I think I remember there was talk about X1000 only booted from tftp before the drivers was working. So there might be other ways AmigaOS4 can boot, pixi boot AmigaOS I think only Hyperion can do that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZdsUU193oo

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Right, but if I dedicate a USB stick for X1000 rescue and put FFS+SFS on it, it should boot, right? Guess I just have to try it... Thank's to Macro$haft i suddenly got a whole lot of time on my hands again...

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@Deniil715

Most likely get case where kickstart modules are loaded from HD, and it continues to boot from USB, but you can try,

anyway there are some nice USB to SATA adapters, you can buy so don't need to open up a PC to plug in a HD, any how you need a way get FastFileSystem on to the USB stick, hard to do that if you don't already have working Amiga.

Anyway this way kept my AmigaONE-XE it makes it so much easier to just copy stuff over to the hard drive, and plug it back into the AmigaONE-X1000.

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Can be done using a rawimage program and an image of an empty sfs usb stick.

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: @Deniil715 any how you need a way get FastFileSystem on to the USB stick, hard to do if you don't already have working Amiga.

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: @Rob I belive there are two different versions of amigaboot.of one version boots look for kickstart modules on the CD, the other one looks for kickstart modules on HD, there is no version of it that I know of that looks for kickstart modules on CF or USB.

Kicklayout is loaded from :Kickstart/, Where the actual kickstart modules are loaded from is down to the contents of kicklayout. amigaboot.of looks for :kickstart/kicklayout on every partition it can read (FFS2, FAT, SFS, ISO-9660), SYS: is given priority so whatever is marked as bootable and has the highest priority is used first.
There are not two different amigaboot.of programs. The OS4 install CD has kickstart/kicklayout in its' root drawer the same as a harddrive.

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@Severin

Ok, playing around a bit.

Check it amigaboot.of with md5sum just to make shure, I was not wrong.
And I'm wrong, so then I was puzzled by this, becouse the CFE menu does not suggest what media to boot from, it only suggest where to load the amigaboot.of from.

So instead of selecting “Amiga Boot CD” I selected “Amiga Boot” in menu while having the CD in the CDROM, and it boots from the CD, clearly it should not but it does.

Okay the menu option does some different it finds the amigaboot.of on cd or hd, but where amigaboot.of is loaded from does not effect what media it continues to load the kickstart modules from.

So what controls the boot process is priority of media, and it seam to me that.

has the highest priority.
1st. CDROM
2en. HD.
3RD. USB?

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The OS4 install CD has kickstart/kicklayout in its' root drawer the same as a harddrive.

I have the amigaboot.of in hidden partition BDH0: volume named "LOADER", this configuration AmiKIT setup.

BDH0: is FFS\7 partition contains amigaboot.of
DH0: is SFS\2 partition contains workbench.

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My machine is not broken anymore, I fixet it using my XE. The continuation of this thread is more how to make a working version for the future.

Right now I'm preparing an SD card with RDB and two partitions. I know CFE could see it because I accidently had an SD card in the reader when I did a show in CFE to list devices and it showed up. Of course that was only a camera card with picture so couldn't boot.

The big question is what will happen when trying to boot from this thing. Will it read only amigaboot, or will it continue with the kickstart and WB? I gave it bootpri=12. My HD has bootpri=0.

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Cool
My SYS: is now a 4GB micro-SD card in a card reader!
It booted all the way from CFE given "boot -fs=amigafs usbdisk0:amigaboot.of". Good to know! Better (and faster) than a CD. Now I can easily keep it updated and in sync.

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Okay the menu option does some different it finds the amigaboot.of on cd or hd, but where amigaboot.of is loaded from does not effect what media it continues to load the kickstart modules from.

If a CD is in the drive I have found it tends to find it. But I don't know why there is the ide and atapi devices as CFE should work out what it is.

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So what controls the boot process is priority of media, and it seam to me that.

Well it depends if you are talking about CFE or amigaboot. CFE can't scan devices itself AFAIK as it needs to be scripted. But amigaboot would be scanning each bus for a Kicklayout.

The boot order may be by accident. The CD is expected to be unit 0 and HD unit 1, so with that order in mind ir probably scans all the SATA units. CD just happens to be first. Next could be IDE. And then USB, unless it only happens when amigaboot is loaded off USB.

@Deniil715

Thanks for the info. Good show. Speed sounds good.

@Hypex

Boot priority has something to say when amigaboot is scanning I believe. I put the MMC higher than both disks, and my second disk is lower than the first. They all boot in the expected order. I would sort of assume CD has higher explicit or implicit priority so it will always boot a CD if there is one.

The MMC is not faster than the HD, but faster than CD. Might load kickstart faster, have to do some more comparisons.

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