@OlafS25

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And BTW what will happen if MorphOS and AmigaOS run on same hardware?

We all know if os4 & mos are able to run on the x5000, ppl will compare the 2, any difference would come down to the OS. I have no problems with that as long as ppl post facts & leave out "a" is better then "b" crap.

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@sundown

So one is will be allowed to say that game X runs at 80 FPS under OS A and 35 FPS under OS B, as long as they don't claim that the former is better than the latter. If this person were to do that, would he become a troll?

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@BSzili

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If this person were to do that

If he says, "in this benchmark", then it is OK.

@BSzili

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So one is will be allowed to say that game X runs at 80 FPS under OS A and 35 FPS under OS B, as long as they don't claim that the former is better than the latter. If this person were to do that, would he become a troll?

YES!, the benchmark facts alone would tell us that OS was faster, shoving it down our throats would make it a troll post.

Last edited by sundown on 08-May-2015 at 08:07 PM.

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@sundown

This brings us to the point of what constitutes "shoving down your throats"?

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@BSzili

Being smart, not stupid, "in my opinion", 3 words used wisely can change the effects of a post greatly.

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@Trewq

He didn't claim no-one from MOS camp was attacking AmigaOS developers. He said MorphOS developers don't get caught up in the mud slinging nonsense.

Also, that link is hardly an example of flame wars anyway. It's quite tame and diplomatic for the most part. If anything there's more aggression there from the OS4.x side of things. Why you posted it to support your theory is beyond me, 'cos quite frankly it dismisses your claim.

Not to say I think amigadave's comments weren't over the top, but perhaps try reading things properly 1st?

@fishy_fis

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If anything there's more aggression there from the OS4.x side of things.

Every side says We Didn't Start the Fire.

@OlafS25

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OlafS25 wrote: @Zylesea I disagree with MorphOS being leading OS (at least not everywhere). And I have done a different choice and am happy with it.

You misunderstood me. I didn't meant MorphOS would be the leading OS generally nor the leading OS of all Amigaish OSes. It's hard to define what leading actually means. The poster I replied to was talking about how to make Amiga "leading" and to kick off Windows from some throne. My reply was, that for __me__ MorphOS is already leading. Tranlation: I use it more and with more pleasance than Windows or any other OS in my house. It was nowhere meant as mine is longer than yours, but only that there is no thing as an objective leading thing. The market share numbers are objective, but they don't influence my decision what to use. For my parameters I am happy with MorphOS (which in this context is just an Amigaish OS).

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Meh, you can't....
Sorry to being sarcastic and immature, huh me? :)
I had to give up (Amiga) for my family and kids, tried multiple linux distros etc.
I still love AOS light, usable (as long you know what to do)...hmmm
Then i needed something that do what i needed to do. Ease of use, anothers can use it, and they know how to.
No need to fiddle (format and reinstall about once a year :), partitions figured out in this one too)
Speedups about 40% every 3 year.
Several manufacturers for components too.
Quite stable, never crashed at daily use. ( But then i start to cloking :) )
Top notch software with support.
blah this list will go on forever.
I hate using Win, but this shit works. Without fiddling. (much)
Yes i miss Amiga days and now i have WinUAE, which is actually faster and more funtional than origial A.
I play alot of "old good" games, colonization, settlers, syndicate, dune 2, frontier. etc.
But there is no longer any good softwares, none, zip, zero. That i see i could use for better, faster and easier.
And i don't mean those "bloated" Adobe etc. bullshit.
I love it, i miss it, and i emulate it. Sad but true. No room, no time for a real hardware.
Meh, greeting old fellows. Severin (fly kiss) tell Matt hey.
-> Goes back drinking, with haze and miss of an Amiga and it's great community, something you can't find else.... :)

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@Zylesea

I do not own MorphOS but from what I heard it is the best as a package but not in every detail. Everybody can use what he wants (even though Sundown says I am too much arguing and not discussing), but I was only nerved by "our developers are the best", "our OS is the best" and similar phrases. If I misunderstood you then I excuse me

@KimmoK

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Leading OS for senior users: within reach, perhaps

Like a nursing home for demented patients where management and employees are demented too?
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Leading OS for kids: within reach, perhaps

Kids are not stupid, how do you think they would react if they got a OS4 system? Besides kids nowadays won't even use Windows, they say its old and not cool enough...

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@pavlor

Im talking soley about that particular link.
Perhaps you could be courteous enough to not quote out of context next time?

I have no use, or interest in any "we", "they", etc. nonsense.

@soft

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Cool. ETA? ;)

Alas, since it is a single person effort, and other paying projects getting in the way, there is no ETA. When one of my other ventures pays off I'll have the funds to hire a team to work on it full time. From that point it will be about 18 to 24 months.

@kolla
Naturally the first release will be DOS based.

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@OlafS25

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OlafS25 wrote: @sundown And BTW what will happen if MorphOS and AmigaOS run on same hardware?

They already do, on the Pegasos 2. And a thorough independent, objective third party comparison was already made, years ago (in 2009):

Obligement article translated by Google

The response from the OS4 community was explosive, hostile and very ugly. Search for threads from that time and you'll see yourself. People were labeled trolls to the left and right, people were banned by OS4 moderators, all in all it was not a pretty sight.

This is what happens!

@Trewq

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Trewq wrote: MorphOS isn't objectively better

But it is, in almost every measurable aspect. Strictly objective, subjective views aside.

@BSzili

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BSzili wrote: @sundown So one is will be allowed to say that game X runs at 80 FPS under OS A and 35 FPS under OS B, as long as they don't claim that the former is better than the latter. If this person were to do that, would he become a troll?

This is so hilarious! It's completely true what you say!

As soon as you say in a forum post that OS4 performs worse/less than whatever, lacks features compared to whatever, then you are a troll! Even if what you say is backed up by facts and real measurements that is free and open for everyone to see. You just aren't allowed to discuss it! Never mention it!

You see, these guys have a different definition of "troll" than the rest of the world. It's part of their Newspeak.

@TRIPOS

they have to accept comparations. If not they have a serious problem. People compare, expecially people from outside.

@OlafS25

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OlafS25 wrote: @TRIPOS they have to accept comparations.

But they don't. History taught us that well, see above, look at all the threads from back then in 2009. They don't accept comparisons.

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If not they have a serious problem.

Indeed they do. 1.5 decade of mental inbreeding in the Mike Bouma and Mikey C spirit. Look at this thread for example, even in the last few pages there are cries about trolls, cries for moderation, cries for bannings! This is not normal. I frequently visits many forums, not only Amiga. And nowhere do I ever see this behavior. It's sick to be frank.

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People compare, expecially people from outside.

You mean the trolls?

@TRIPOS

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This is not normal.

Fate of Moobunny teaches us opposite.