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Me? I like bumps.

Those aren't bumps, you ning-nong. They're bloody tram tracks. Sheesh!

you want bumps? Come and drive on Sydney roads ;)

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We do have bumps here in Vic that are kind of annoying. They call them speed humps.

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if you are Franko go away you are pathetic. If you arent you just joined to troll go away.

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he's not. franko was 'WhatsIsName' and was banned again a couple of days ago. this one is another of the moobunny refugees.

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You remeber hl? Halvliter'n on Amiga.org.

A few ml short of a pint.

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Let's try to keep this on computer topic shall we?

2 drawers short of a full install.

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@number6,

Some summary of non 2.48...2.49 results:
112s blender 2.62 PA6T 1.8Ghz Dualcore (LinuxMint)
113s blender 2.62 G4 1.8Ghz DualCPU !
117s blender 2.44 G5 2.3Ghz Dualcore

Then with blender 2.49 or 2.48 & singlecore (performs very badly on PA6T):
223s blender 2.49 G5 2.3Ghz single core
325s blender 2.49 PowerBook 1667Mhz
414s blender 2.49 x1000 1800Mhz Single core (AOS4)
538s blender 2.49 MCP8610 1066Mhz
629s blender 2.49 SAM460 1.15Ghz
1180s blender 2.48 SAM440 800Mhz (AOS4)

So far I have not seen blender benchmark for e5500 core device.

In integer operations e5500 should be 25% faster than PA6T per Mhz and as fast as G5.

X5000 design should have a faster memory interface etc. than PA6T or G5.
(Also e5500 has L3 that might speed up things further.)

X5000 will lack the windtunnel / hairdryer / vacuumcleaner sound/effect of G5, though.

So anyone with spare €2000, the X5000 should be the nicer system, perhaps even faster in some cases...
(at least I would buy the X5000 to run MorphOS rather than PowerMacG5, but I'm €2000 short of the money ... in the meanwhile my friend offered G5 system for €100 .... so hmmmm....)

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@KimmoK

can you share please how to bench with blender (i did some time agoo) i can shere the result on Linux PPc and OsX on Quad G5.

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@tlosm

Not benchmarked myself, see these for memory refresh:

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=30693&forum=32&start=0&viewmode=flat&order=0

and

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=35671&forum=34&start=160&viewmode=flat&order=0#665666

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@KimmoK

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KimmoK wrote: [a lot of anonymous numbers removed] In integer operations e5500 should be 25% faster than PA6T per Mhz and as fast as G5.

As a reference, a battery powered, passively cooled iPhone 6 scores the same SPEC INT values as a 2.5GHz G5, thus beating everything below. And x86, well, don't even go there...

A lot has happened during the last 10 years!




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So anyone with spare €2000, the X5000 should be the nicer system, perhaps even faster in some cases... (at least I would buy the X5000 to run MorphOS rather than PowerMacG5, but I'm €2000 short of the money ... in the meanwhile my friend offered G5 system for €100 .... so hmmmm....)

It would be about similar to what is already available for MorphOS. Differences in performance won't be that big in any direction, especially not when comparing to contemporary x86 H/W. Current G5, or as many people still prefer: G4 H/W for MorphOS will suffice just fine until the arrival of MorphOS with x86 support. And it doesn't cost anywhere near €2000, you will get very fine machines for under 1/10th of that price, or even 1/20th. And a safe bet is that MorphOS x86 systems can go way below €2000 as well, with a performance incomprehensible to any PPC system you are discussing now!



And BTW - where on earth did you get your €2000 price quotes? Has the final end-user price for X5000 systems been announced? Or are you being overly optimistic?

@KimmoK
thanks i remeber i did on OSx but i was courious to make it on LinuxPPC because here i have 2.69 version
I have to ask tuxedo because he sent me the link for benchmark on Blender ... but before i think is better start search on google :P

here are some blender benchmark results in case

http://www.eofw.org/bench/

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@TRIPOS

My new quadcore 1,7Ghz phone is slow like hell ((and consumes battery in a day with data off)), but I bet it's because Android sluggishness (or because slow 1GB RAM).

>until the arrival of MorphOS with x86 support.

Hope it is then more stable than Linux with graphical desktop.
(so far not found stable linux distro for my AMD boxes since y2008 or so)

(perhaps it will support only one motherboard when released, as I think it's 100% impossible to support bulk motherboards by our niche)

>And BTW - where on earth did you get your €2000 price quotes?

Internet.

>Has the final end-user price for X5000 systems been announced?

No.

> Or are you being overly optimistic?

I would be very disappointed if it costs much above €2000.
CPU is more than 50% cheaper and the design is simpler.

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@tlosm

>http://www.eofw.org/bench/

Hmmm... our inari tablet should manage to run the test in 50s ... I should try one day.
CORRECTION: 200s might be closer estimate for 1,6Ghz BayTrail SoC of the tablet, when all cores are put in use.

(anyone with the need of Amiga tablet design and production service feel free to contact, I'll forward to appropriate person(s) http://www.aavamobile.com/en/products/products )

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i have this

http://gizchina.it/2014/12/onda-v975w-tablet-windows-8-1-da-9-7-pollici-lunboxing-di-gizchina/

lats bench i did on it was Quake 3 68fps compared the 360 of quad g5 .
will test widh blender and report

edit: im curious if some one make a blender benchmak with ps3 and xbox 360 .. plus im thinking why not Morphos for this two consoles i think will be really an increase of users if they make a port


This is my last blender on OsX PPC on Quad G5 2.5ghz . (really proud of this 10y machine)

http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh511/tlosm/BenchmarkG5/blender_zpswcwvyu0l.jpg

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@tlosm

>some one make a blender benchmak with ps3

I think one example was on the benchmark results list you linked.

>This is my last blender on OsX PPC

I think I must get the G5 that was offered to me!


>TRIPOS &vs apple CPU..
" passively cooled iPhone 6 scores the same SPEC INT values as a 2.5GHz G5, thus beating everything below. And x86, well, don't even go there"

I wonder how it runs some productivity SW, like blender.

How much faster is iPhone6 vs iPhone5?
It seems (after quick googling) iPhone5 CPU performs like intel Baytrail (Atom derivate).
And baytrail should be little slower than PA6T, I think.

(desktop intel CPU's are more than 2x faster per core per Mhz than baytrail, IIRC... and they have better multimedia instruction set)

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KimmoK wrote: My new quadcore 1,7Ghz phone is slow like hell ((and consumes battery in a day with data off)), but I bet it's because Android sluggishness (or because slow 1GB RAM).

You don't have an iPhone 6. Not even an iPhone 5s. You should read up on Apple's Cyclone (iPhone 5s and iPad Air) architecture and "Cyclone 2" or whatever they call it (iPhone 6 and iPad Air 2). It has more in common with an Intel Core i7 than it has to your sluggish Android phone.

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>until the arrival of MorphOS with x86 support. Hope it is then more stable than Linux with graphical desktop. (so far not found stable linux distro for my AMD boxes since y2008 or so)

Why do you talk about Linux? It's MorphOS we are discussing.

Also, if your Linux boxes aren't stable, it's obviously not because of the x86 H/W.


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(perhaps it will support only one motherboard when released, as I think it's 100% impossible to support bulk motherboards by our niche)

Upon release it will at least support:
1 desktop family
1 laptop family
1 GPU family

Then it will continue to grow from there. Just as MorphOS has grown to support almost every single relevant PPC system (that has a point in supporting) in existence.

"Family" is probably down to Chipset/CPU combos, like Socket-2011-3 motherboards with X99 chipset and 4th gen Core i3/i5/i7 (just to name something randomly). Level of integration in Chipset/CPU is very high these days so I suppose there are few (if any) discrete controllers needed in most designs.

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>And BTW - where on earth did you get your €2000 price quotes? Internet.

Link?

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>Has the final end-user price for X5000 systems been announced? No.

So you are merely speculating?

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> Or are you being overly optimistic? I would be very disappointed if it costs much above €2000.

So you are merely hoping not to be disappointed?

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CPU is more than 50% cheaper

Price of components is only one part of the equation. For a tiny volume product like this, the biggest part is probably research and development cost per unit.

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and the design is simpler.

I fail to see how the design is simpler.

@KimmoK

this is the Blender 2.69 on Lubuntu PPC 14.04.2
Multi Thread
http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh511/tlosm/BenchmarkG5/blender269_zps0mijwirf.png

Sigle Thread
http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh511/tlosm/BenchmarkG5/blender_single_269_zpsnw6q3j1h.png


edit: i foud the ps3... Oh my god Quad kill it!

4280 00:09:56.00 1x Sony PlayStation 3 IBM Cell 3192MHz 1 PS3 256MB Linux Yellowdog 5.0.2 2.45 test.blend IBM claims this is fast! Slow! 2008-01-27 17:15:53

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@TRIPOS

>Also, if your Linux boxes aren't stable, it's obviously not because of the x86 H/W.

I know.
But I suspect that Linux community is too small to support common x86 HW, so MorphOS developers have tough job to outperform it with even smaller community....

>So you are merely hoping

Yep. A-Eon has said that they hope it will be a little cheaper than x1000.

>I fail to see how the design is simpler.

No southbridge, no Audio.

For the userbase to grow, they can not sell e5500 product for 3x of the price of a e5500 development board&kit.

So, if it costs €3000 I'm disappointed.
If it costs €2000 I'm less disappointed. (kind of OK for high end Amigalike)
If it costs €1000 I will save money to buy it (a few more people outside of our community might buy it as well). (surely this does not happen)

@tlosm
>edit: i foud the ps3... Oh my god Quad kill it!

Yep. blender of ps3 is not aware of SPE units, I think.

I imagine xbox360 should perform like PA6T in blender (or only slightly faster), when all cores are used on both systems.

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Blender on my 4xAtom Tabled showed before
1 thread need 2min 16,43 sec.
4 thread need 0min 42,85 sec

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