@TRIPOS

Agree with you there. Production would have to be in the tens of thousands to bring the price down.

@Hypex

Those wannabe AmigaOS need to emulate nearly all Amiga software anyway so why not go 64bit SMP, they are almost as incompatible with the Amiga it is possible to become already?

My imaginary Amiga supports both 32bit and 64bit and multi-core BTW, and even costs only a fraction of those A1Xxxxx PPC systems.

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@Hillbillylitre

If it is so easy, do it yourself. You can even use AROS sources.

@Rob

Sure, but I do not...

@pampers

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I don't recall ....

Come on! Even you have changed your attitude lately. Let me guess. It is easier to attract OS4 users with less arrogant a nasty comments? Hope it stays that way

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.. old macs are just faster in many aspects. You cannot argue with that.

Many aspects? CPU raw power...It is one aspect. All other parts are older/slower. RAM, FSB, Sata...

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@tommysammy

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I want have the most powerful AmigaOne

There, corrected it for you!

And regarding how powerful it is, it remains to be seen. Compared to the X1000 the clock frequency is a little higher but only 200MHz, and there is no Altivec. Applications that benefits greatly from Altivec (media centric stuff, video codecs, rendering, various heavy calculations, etc) will probably take a noticeable penalty hit because of this, relatively speaking. GFX won't be faster (twice the clock but half the lanes AFAIK). It has only two SATA connectors, and they are only of the 2.0 specs. USB is still 2.0, and they are fewer than X1000. About the price it has been said that they hope for a slightly lower price than the X1000 motherboard but no promises regarding this has been given and it remains to be seen.

So the X5000 offers nothing fundamentally new compared to the X1000, some specs are even lower, it lacks the Altivec which will show, and this will probably not be compensated fully by the CPU clock that is only 200MHz higher. The price will probably be around the same as the X1000 at the end.

Overall I'd say that the X5000 will probably be more of a move sideways than a forward upgrade move.

@Spectre660

I agree with Kronos, "a used Mac can be significant faster than anything AEon". This will still be true after the X5000 release.

@mr2

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mr2 wrote: Good news for MOS Team.

Good news for A-Eon/AmigaKit and the Amiga Community!

@thread

MOS on X5000. That is just wonderful.

I was hoping it would be available for X1000, but.....thats OK. The two OS systems pretty much take two different paths to the same goal, and that could be an advantage for both, and the users.

Good news.

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@OlafS25

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OlafS25 wrote: @mr2 then Hyperion (and supporters) have to work harder to get on the same level. It is called "competition" and "market"

(Hush, don't speak Troll Words in the same sentence as the "Hyperion" word! You may get reported and banned!)

@TRIPOS

e5500 has higher expected DMIPS than PA6T (3.0/MHz vs 2.2/MHz). Only actual applications could show real performance, of course.

Was this port paid/supported by A-eon or is it MOS Team decision?
Is the ISA switch(x64/ARM) still on schedule(and rockin :D)?

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@sundown

Wow, I didn't see that coming.

Good news for A-Eon (an extra selling point), and for X5000 buyers (more choice).

3 pages of comments on positive Amigaone news and no ? Who are you people and what have you done with the real Amigaworld weirdos?

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@pavlor

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pavlor wrote: @kolla Quote: , is there enough overlap in support for gfx cards etc that a dualboot system with good support by both OSes is possible? Sadly no. R500 GFX cards seem to be choice of MorphOS Team for AmigaOne 500/X5000.

My God, the X5000 port is still at least half a year and 3 MorphOS releases away, probably more, and you make comments here and now about the MorphOS Team's GFX cards choices and how limited the support for new Radeon HD cards will be?! Come on!

bigfoot (core MorphOS developer): "Most of the time spent is being sunk into drivers for newer hardware (f.ex. newer Radeons). While getting the Sam460 port took a bit of ironing out some Quark details, getting MorphOS to boot on the X5000 afterwards took merely 2 days." (link)

Of course they are working on new GFX drivers. This is what they do, and has always done. They have a good track record on this.

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Most users probably have HD4000 or newer. Warp3D for OS4 supports some HD7000 and Rx 2x0 cards, A-eon is working also on support for HD5000/6000 cards. That is why mentioned need for drivers for more recent cards.

Most (almost all) current SAM460/X1000 users probably have what they were sold when they bought the machine. This means HD4000-HD5000, and a few HD6000. If A-Eon will bundle HD7000/R7 cards with the X5000, it means that this is what the installed user base will have, which means that MorphOS will support these cards. The MorphOS team consider GFX support as something fundamental that simply must be there. So this is a given, nothing to worry about at all.

@pavlor

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pavlor wrote: @Chain-Q Good to know they are heading this direction. MorphOS port for SAM460 without proper support for Radeon HD would be too much crippled.

It would never happen!

@mr2

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Quote: OlafS25 wrote: then Hyperion (and supporters) have to work harder to get on the same level. It is called "competition" and "market" mr2 wrote: @OlafS25 ...and vice versa (see new radeons support)

Yeah, the 20-30 FPS (SAM) and 40-50 FPS (X1000) running Quake3 demo on HD7000/R7 cards blew us all away!

@kolla

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kolla wrote: Both products need lots of improving. How is hardware support on MorphOS vs OS4, is there enough overlap in support for gfx cards etc that a dualboot system with good support by both OSes is possible?

Today: Yes, a Pegasos2 will dualboot just fine!
Soon (next MorphOS release): Yes, a SAM460 will dualboot just fine!
Later (MorphOS 3.10 or later): Yes, a X5000 will dualboot just fine!

@pavlor

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pavlor wrote: @TRIPOS e5500 has higher expected DMIPS than PA6T (3.0/MHz vs 2.2/MHz). Only actual applications could show real performance, of course.

Yes. Remember how expectations were pretty high for the PA6T, but then it proved to be slower than a G4 Laptop running CPU intensive applications!

So I'll guess we'll see when it gets here.

@TRIPOS

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TRIPOS wrote: Quote: Most users probably have HD4000 or newer. Warp3D for OS4 supports some HD7000 and Rx 2x0 cards, A-eon is working also on support for HD5000/6000 cards. That is why mentioned need for drivers for more recent cards. Most (almost all) current SAM460/X1000 users probably have what they were sold when they bought the machine. This means HD4000-HD5000, and a few HD6000. If A-Eon will bundle HD7000/R7 cards with the X5000, it means that this is what the installed user base will have, which means that MorphOS will support these cards. The MorphOS team consider GFX support as something fundamental that simply must be there. So this is a given, nothing to worry about at all.

As per always, I'll wait to see what is announced before assuming that xyz hardware will be supported.
The Amiga.org thread isn't even based upon an official announcement, although Geit's subsequent reply can be taken as such.
Extrapolating from this that multiple families of graphics cards will be 'fully supported' at the time of release seems a little premature.

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@WolfToTheMoon

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WolfToTheMoon wrote: Is the ISA switch(x64/ARM) still on schedule(and rockin :D)?

In fact it is!

bigfoot (a core MorphOS developer) just said: "I've mentioned it before, but I'll happily mention it again: When MorphOS gets ported to AMD64, we will not be supporting Macs. AMD64 Macs have all the wrong hardware for that to make any sense. When such a time does come, expect us to support one desktop motherboard (with one family of CPUs and GPUs) and one laptop. We'll of course make sure it's hardware that's actually available one way or another. " (link)

When (not if) MorphOS gets ported to AMD64

Initial support: One desktop motherboard, One family of CPU's and GPU's, One laptop!

No "maybe's" to be seen anywhere anymore!

BTW, "AMD64" does not mean AMD CPU's BTW , it's just another way of saying "X86-64" or similar, it's 100% the same thing, it's just one of several ways of describing 64-bit X86 CPU's that can be either Intel Core i3, i5, i7 or something from AMD, etc, etc, wikipedia on the subject)

@TRIPOS

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Yeah, the 20-30 FPS (SAM) and 40-50 FPS (X1000) running Quake3 demo on HD7000/R7 cards blew us all away!

In ANY resolution. Be it 800x600 or 1600x1200...