@kolla

Quote:

kolla wrote: @cdimauro Yeah, I'm aware of those, but I don't think that can count as "sometime soon" :)

That's because engineers don't follow the good sense of releasing early their product, albeit not 100% functional and without the hyper-mega-fabulous features that they dream.

@cdimauro

Quote:

Because I don't like to waste my time with them, like I already said. If you like, do it yourself. De gustibus...

You can waste time posting piles of bullcrap but don't have time to test the demos...

You know what me think, me think they don't work on wonderful fairytale Amiga NG systems even if they have RTG support.

And me have tried all of them more than once and they work perfect here in both AGA and RTG.

@LimoU.Sin

Quote:

LimoU.Sin wrote: @cdimauro Quote: Because I don't like to waste my time with them, like I already said. If you like, do it yourself. De gustibus... You can waste time posting piles of bullcrap but don't have time to test the demos...

It seems that you don't read what I wrote, don't understand, or, worse, that you don't want to understand.

I quote myself:

"I never liked demos"

4 simple words that SHOULD be quite clear. Right? Or not?
Quote:

You know what me think, me think they don't work on wonderful fairytale Amiga NG systems even if they have RTG support.

Just use some (E)UAE for demos, Kunta Kinte.
Quote:

And me have tried all of them more than once and they work perfect here in both AGA and RTG.

If they are AGA-based (read: they use directly the hardware and not the o.s.), they don't use RTG at all.

@cdimauro

Quote:

I quote myself: "I never liked demos" 4 simple words that SHOULD be quite clear. Right? Or not?.

Why? Have they given you psychological trauma as a little boy or somethin?

You know they are free to test on AROS? Why do you want an emulator for very old software from a very old computer that brake the new OS integrated at all into a the new OS on new very incompatible hardware? That doesn't seem like good marked strategy to me.

Last edited by LimoU.Sin on 06-Aug-2015 at 07:42 AM.

@LimoU.Sin

I use AROS on 68k and many demos work in it

I look forward how you proof me wrong there and that the environment I use is not Amiga

Last edited by OlafS25 on 06-Aug-2015 at 09:11 AM.

@OlafS25

Quote:

OlafS25 wrote: @LimoU.Sin I use AROS on 68k and many demos work in it I look forward how you proof me wrong there and that the environment I use is not Amiga

Well, you can always upload a video and demonstrate if you have an Amiga 1200 and camera available. Just took a search on youtube and found a Madfranko demonstrate AROS on an Amiga 1200 but it really seemed like he didn't get much out of it.


And as I wrote earlier, I tested the Aros ROM file included with WinUAE and it crashed WinUAE. And just for you i just tested one more time, and it asked me to insert DF0 after boot into cli etc.., me pressed cancle and Winuae completely crashed.... again. First thing first time that popped into mind was "Why the h*** was that ROM file included with Winuae?" First thing this time that popped into mind was "Why the h*** is that ROM file included with Winuae?"


You know, the Amiga was and is an easy machine to handle, not so sure if AROS is just as easy to handle.

I would also like to see if cdimauro can do it on his X86 PC, if he can't i see no point in trying Aros at all because my Amiga is running AmigaOS3 which is the most Amiga compatible OS for my Amiga 1200 computer, and winuae.

And I would also like to know if OS4 and MorphOS can run the demos outside EUAE, they have RTG support so don't worry about any AGA problems... OR?



Can you run any of the RTG supported games outside EUAE, like Alien Breed 3D II or Genetic Species?

@LimoU.Sin

Quote:

Just took a search on youtube and found a Madfranko demonstrate AROS on an Amiga 1200 but it really seemed like he didn't get much out of it.

that video is very old.

Quote:

I tested the Aros ROM file included with WinUAE and it crashed WinUAE

also this rom option is completely outdated. dont know why it is still there, it only leads people atstray..

@LimoU.Sin

I had created a setup page a longer time ago

http://www.aros-platform.de/html/winuae_config.html

you must insert "aros-rom.bin" and "aros-ext.bin"

regarding the backfall roms in WinUAE I have no clue when they were last updated

it is for Aros Vision but for Aros 68k nightly it is the same

Last edited by OlafS25 on 06-Aug-2015 at 11:35 AM.
Last edited by OlafS25 on 06-Aug-2015 at 11:32 AM.
Last edited by OlafS25 on 06-Aug-2015 at 11:31 AM.

@OlafS25

someone should tell toni to disable aros rom option if he doenst update it..

Last edited by wawa on 06-Aug-2015 at 11:39 AM.

@LimoU.Sin

Quote:

and I would also like to know if OS4 and MorphOS can run the demos outside EUAE, they have RTG support so don't worry about any AGA problems... OR?

Yes some demos, but here is the problem demo's codes, is that they like to make demos that let's say only work on Amiga500, or only run on Amiga1200.

Demos are often fixed to Amiga model, this is the problem, It's not possible have progress when people are stuck in the past.
The most compatible way to run Amiga Demos is UAE, as it's the only way you can guaranty having right hardware configuration for the DEMO, or correct CPU model (with our without instruction cache, with or with data cache), the correct amount of CHIP and FAST memory. Many OCS Demos and Games do not work on AGA computers.

_________________
http://lifeofliveforit.blogspot.no/
Facebook::LiveForIt Software for AmigaOS

@wawa

Well my WinUAE version is about six months old so... me have to updated.

@LimoU.Sin

the roms could be much older

@NutsAboutAmiga

Quote:

Yes some demos, but here is the problem demo's codes, is that they like to make demos that let's say only work on Amiga500, or only run on Amiga1200.

Yes i know what you mean, but nearly all Amiga software is made that way and almost everything is depending on the chipset, not just demos, And also not just the Amiga.

Fortunately is the old Amiga 1200/4000 backwards compatible to a certain extent with the old Amiga 500/3000/2000 etc.
Quote:

Demos are often fixed to Amiga model, this is the problem, It's not possible have progress when people are stuck in the past.

Stuck in the past. its an old platform. What is stuck in the past is having a 68k emulator integrated to the OS, an OS that can not keep up with time.

Last edited by LimoU.Sin on 06-Aug-2015 at 12:26 PM.
Last edited by LimoU.Sin on 06-Aug-2015 at 12:25 PM.

@NutsAboutAmiga


Quote:

Many OCS Demos and Games do not work on AGA computers.

Yep, those "badly" programmed.

_________________
SAM440EP-FLEX @ 733 Mhz, AmigaOS 4.1 Update 1

@LimoU.Sin

Quote:

Well my WinUAE version is about six months old so... me have to updated.

whether your uae is old or not doenst matter, the aros rom it contains is old. to run aros you would have to download and use either aros nightly or olafs distribution, with the appropriate rom images, or just softkick aros from amiga kickstart.

Last edited by wawa on 06-Aug-2015 at 03:25 PM.

@LimoU.Sin

Quote:

Stuck in the past. its an old platform. What is stuck in the past is having a 68k emulator integrated to the OS, an OS that can not keep up with time.

Current PowerPC binaries are also legacy to an extent. For every update there is something new, there might old program not using new features. There is no big difference between 680x0 programs and PowerPC program in that context.

An example I can give you was transition to unified graphics.library, some individuals wonted me to continue support cyber graphics and piasso96, in mplayer so for sake of it. I refused.

If people like to get the newest stuff, they should expect to need to upgrade.

As things progress, some things will end up being there for just for compatibility, as they are replaced by enchantments.

It's like sticking to supporting files then 2GBytes max limit, because if the program was run on older OS, it won't work. That is the sort of thinking that hold back progress.

Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 06-Aug-2015 at 04:26 PM.
Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 06-Aug-2015 at 03:11 PM.

_________________
http://lifeofliveforit.blogspot.no/
Facebook::LiveForIt Software for AmigaOS

@NutsAboutAmiga

Quote:

It's like sticking to supporting files smaller then 4GBytes, because if the program was run older OS, it won't work. That is the sort of thinking that hold back progress.

os4 doesnt support files smaller than 4 gigabytes?? people must be warned!

Last edited by wawa on 06-Aug-2015 at 03:25 PM.
Last edited by wawa on 06-Aug-2015 at 03:25 PM.

@LimoU.Sin

Quote:

LimoU.Sin wrote: Can you run any of the RTG supported games outside EUAE, like Alien Breed 3D II or Genetic Species?

If they don't rely on any other hardware assets (hardware timers, hardware controller inputs etc.) and use RTG correctly then they'll work fine. If they depend on specific hardware then obviously they won't work without some sort of emulation. Paula sound can be emulated on OS4 so that solves some problems for some software. I'm not a big gamer, but off the top of my head these are games I have that run fine under OS4: Payback, Foundation, Quake, Descent: Freespace and Earth2140.

_________________
RobTheNerd.com | InstallerGen | SMBMounter | Atoms-X

@wawa

Quote:

os4 doesnt support files smaller than 4 gigabytes?? people must be warned!

It's the developers choice to support file larger than 2GB files or not.
(Its signed 32bit so it 2GB, not 4GB, sorry)
But files larger then 2GB is not supported on AmigaOS3.x.

Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 06-Aug-2015 at 04:33 PM.

_________________
http://lifeofliveforit.blogspot.no/
Facebook::LiveForIt Software for AmigaOS