@NutsAboutAmiga

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Then I find it strange that command line shell is not included in PS3 or BlueRay player or you're SmartTV, if it's easier to use then a GUI, and if it's easier to remember commands for granmom's around the world. Way did people stop using MSDOS anyway? I wonder how they managed to trick people into using GUI's?

Each user interface for its use case. CLI is inconvenient on a device that has no good way to input text. A TV has traditionally been with simple input devices, a smart TV is not device made for creativity or productivity, it is a entertainment system. Do you post here from your "smart" TV?

No, but chances are high you post from something of the other end of the "smart" scale, where input is king - a smart phone.

I have an iPhone, I have many apps, but I rarely ever browse around to find their launch icons, instead I use the CLI to find them. Same is expected workflow in Unity and Windows10 and soon enough OSX. Expect these simple CLIs to grow more and more advanced, utilizing online resources, have history buffers, and eventually output buffers etc.

You can ask, why did Apple go from an OS which had no CLI at all to an OS that offers a whole range of CLI options? Why do Microsoft today ship Windows with PowerShell?

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@kolla

ou can use Bluetooth and USB keyboards on "Smart" TVs got even a keyboard included with the fiber slow as h*** TV tuner back around year 2003.

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Me of course prefer the PC connected.

@Leo

MP as in memoryprotection. You didn't write about it? Sorry, someone did... I hope you can live on even though I replied to you instead of deleting "@Leo" before replying.

@hotrod

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hotrod wrote: @OlafS25 It's irrelevant to sell Amiga hardware with AmigaOS? Ooookidoki

Yes, most Amigas where sold without AmigaOS. They used other names for Workbench/Kickstart1.3.

@OneTimer1

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Yes, most Amigas where sold without AmigaOS. They used other names for Workbench/Kickstart1.3.

What’s in a name? That which we call a rose,
By any other word would smell as sweet.

@OneTimer1

I like clever comments like this one. So you know your history well, maybe it's time to stop living in the past then and come with some suggestions for the future?

@hotrod

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I like clever comments like this one. So you know your history well, maybe it's time to stop living in the past then and come with some suggestions for the future?

i dont think its anybody duty to spam forums with their private fantasies that will have no effect anyway.

@Chris_Y

Sounds like a game machine. You'd need something to play, though. HDMI could be a good idea. TV's have changed. They have the same display capabilities as monitors. I think it might work if it could be cheap enough to make a difference. And if there were games available.

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@hotrod

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hotrod wrote: @OneTimer1 ... maybe it's time to stop living in the past then and come with some suggestions for the future?

The "Amiga retro" machine on a TV Set is a nice idea.

Main problems are:
- Amiga brand name.
- Licence for Amiga games.
- Money for development and marketing.

No problems are:
- hardware platform (ARM/x386 is well proven)
- OS (Linux does it nice)
- Amiga game starter AROS 68k or Action Replay will do the job
- Fans of AmigaOS4 or Amiga68k, this minority could be ignored for a mass market product.

Suggestions for the future:
Amiga might have a future, Cloanto is doing a really good job.

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@wawa

Chris had the "fantasy" that you so friendly call it, I had an opinion on said "fantasy". Your negativity seems to have a bad impression on your thinking capabilities.

Porting AOS 3 to PPC was a fantasy. The X1000 was a fantasy. For people like you there are just fantasies and all you spend your time on is talking every idea or news item down. You must be a really fun time.

You're a little whine-baby.

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@hotrod

you could then also called a dream dancer

already taken a personal loan to finance it?

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The "Amiga retro" machine on a TV Set is a nice idea. Main problems are: - Amiga brand name.

You don't have to use the Amiga brand.

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- Licene for Amiga games.

Lots of Amiga games can already be distributed for free, legally. I know the licence probably prevent being bundled with a commercial product, but it at least shows people are opened to discussion,.. Some games have also been released for free with ScummVM as well.

It's not a problem either as I see it.

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- Money for development and marketing.

Now money is a problem, yes. But a good kickstarter project may help to get the needed money. Plus a successful kickstarter project may bring lots of advertising, without spending a single cent.

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@hotrod

wawa is allergic to most OS4 related ideas (good too, not even counting insane ones). As his platform of choice is AROS68k, he sees OS4 as senseless project that deceives Amiga users to think it is "AmigaOS" - they should use AROS68k instead!


I was joking... or not?

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Amiga might have a future, Cloanto is doing a really good job.

Cloanto should have freed kickstart 1.x for non commercial use since a long time. Fortunately, there is AROS which can already mostly replace it (at least for games that would be bundled with such hardware).

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@hotrod

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Your negativity seems to have a bad impression on your thinking capabilities.

i didnt know my negativity could have any impressions as such, let alone about my state of mind. but then in a fantasy world even stones can speak.

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Porting AOS 3 to PPC was a fantasy.

this wasnt a fantasy, unfortunatelly. only a very bad idea. the result was that the most part of the reasonable user base rejected the idea and left the platform. os4 is following and pushing this failed policy to the limit, namely till none is left.

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The X1000 was a fantasy.

maybe. even worse if it is just some personal dream and not a well thought approach, because even if it fulfills one persons expectations it will be a disaster for most of the rest of the passive followers.

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For people like you there are just fantasies and all you spend your time on is talking every idea or news item down. You must be a really fun time.

as long as you are only phantasizing in talk (which is a common practice on this site) it is relatively safe. as soon as any insane investments begin, it may start to have consequences. im not sure if watching this may be called fun, sure thing is: it takes its course no matter what my opinion is.

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You're a little whine-baby.

around amiga there is a number of people or projects i applaud. no matter even if they succeed or not, but thats another matter.

@pavlor

are you?

And yes some people think 4.X is senseless

@pavlor

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wawa is allergic to most OS4 related ideas

okay, so i take it you think it is a good and feasible idea, just a matter of dedication and you have a fast, flexible and cheap platform for os4 that not only will will the remaining amiga fans over but also will be attractive to general public. may i have your word on it?

@wawa

Most AROS68k users use WinUAE as their platform... I bet Classic/WinUAE group is the greatest also among OS4 owners.

@Leo

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Leo wrote: Quote: The "Amiga retro" machine on a TV Set is a nice idea. Main problems are: - Amiga brand name. You don't have to use the Amiga brand.

So it will neber be an Amiga, ok you can call it Omega
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Quote: - Licene for Amiga games. Lots of Amiga games can already be distributed for free, legally. I know the licence probably prevent being bundled with a commercial product, but it at least shows people are opened to discussion,.. Some games have also been released for free with ScummVM as well. It's not a problem either as I see it.

Funny but if you try to sell games, some people are showing up and want money for it.

But you still can install some Demos and freeware.
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Quote: - Money for development and marketing. Now money is a problem, yes. But a good kickstarter project may help to get the needed money. Plus a successful kickstarter project may bring lots of advertising, without spending a single cent.

So all problems solved and it is just a matter of time until someone starts a production of your Omega with pre-installed Demos and Freeware.

IMR there where some Amiga realated Kickstarter projects that tried to do this and most of them did not lead to a mass product.

@OlafS25

Why talk to me about cost and money? This is a topic and you are allowed to write something positive even if you can't pay for it? Or is it just whining that is for free?