@cdimauro

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Commodore USA sold a new Commodore64, and that's a clear successor. So the old one should be labeled "Classic Commodore 64".

Should be, if business of CommodoreUSA was at least as successful as AmigaOne project and not horrible disaster it became.

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Form this point of view, and according to what I've said above, Commodore USA presented also a new Amiga, which should be considered a clear successor of such machines. Right?

Without doubt!

However, it became dead branch. Comparison with AmigaOne is interesting - AmigaOne is without doubt most successful Amiga project since 1994.

@pavlor

I will call PPC now TGB (Two Generations Behind)

NG was perhaps valid in the 90s, today even PA6T processor is only old and out of production, the only difference not 20 years behind but 10 years (little overdoing I know 6 years )

all is retro stuff today (as all NG OSs), just that some open admit it and others not

so instead of claiming something different people should think of how you could build up a fun/hobby-platform instead of dreaming of competing with the big platforms

BTW the whole NG versus classic discussion is very specific to certain websites because when you go to amiga meeting nobody would call the hardware classic. And that some react a little thin-skinned to classic at all has to do how users here and on other sites talk about the different users.

I can remember one saying "the classic community are pure retro just playing games, Aros is years behind and AmigaOS and MorphOS are the only platforms keeping the light in world on". I read similar statements more than one time so that people see classic as downtalking of users and react negative to that statements is understandable. To compare it to cars here is wrong because the term there was never used in a negative way for saying the car owners are behind the moon.

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@pavlor
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Quote: How do you call the Teron boards? Illegitimate ("bastard") brothers?

Complete with defective DNA... Er I mean DMA
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Quote: In that part we talked about "vintage processors": the PowerPCs. "Vintage processors" makes much more sense. However, you used term "classic"...

Not sure about this one because vintage usually defines an era before classic. Postmodern is a better fit as the NG machines are modern ideas using old technology, a bit like a 4k TV made using valves (extreme example I know).

@OlafS25

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I will call PPC now TGB (Two Generations Behind)

Three or four would be more close to reality.


I know you hate term "classic", but that is what we use today. If you have better term you may try to gain consensus for it, or not...

@OlafS25

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I can remember one saying "the classic community are pure retro just playing games, Aros is years behind and AmigaOS and MorphOS are the only platforms keeping the light in world on". I read similar statements more than one time so that people see classic as downtalking of users and react negative to that statements is understandable. To compare it to cars here is wrong because the term there was never used in a negative way for saying the car owners are behind the moon.

I can't say I've ever seen it used in a negative way, as I said its used to define the era the original machines were made and in no way to downgrade their importance. If anything like the car analogy, it is to lift them to shine above the rest.

@pavlor

there is no need for better term. what it really is, namely Amiga, fits nicely. thr rest may be called whatever..

@pavlor

the problem (as i explained) is how it was used in the past. When somebody collects old cars nobody with a Porsche would say the person is behind the moon or oldfashioned, in fact many of the old cars are more expensive at the end than new cars. It is just different interests. Here people used that phrase to say "we are the elite holding up the torch in the dark" and those are only the retros reluctant to help to keep the platform living.

That is pure stupidity in my view but now the term is negative seen. So yes I do not like the term... BTW I use 68k not on own hardware but my environment is fast (faster than some of the NG platforms) and I can do most things too.

I would prefer simple 68k platform because this is more realistic with lots of different options like emulation, real hardware with new cards, FPGA based solutions and so on. And that 68k is not in development is not true either (at least on Aros)

@Arnie

might be that you see it different but I saw it frequently here and on other sites. The term is not neutral and expecially not positive now.

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i must constantly wonder, why people here defend usage of names that have been stolen and compromised by known scam entities in order to sell to them something that completely doesnt have anything in common with what the name stands for. such as embedded reference designs. especially that these wont even officially carry the said name, for whatever reason. apparently its just the users that go around to convince themselves, these are legitimate successors of a known brand.

@OlafS25

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might be that you see it different but I saw it frequently here and on other sites. The term is not neutral and expecially not positive now.

I regret it hurts your feelings, but most of us don´t use term "classic" to humiliate platform we all love so much.

@wawa

Some see future of Amiga in PowerPC, some in "x86" and some in form of AROS68k. Why so much hatred towards others who don´t share your opinion?

@pavlor

its not the question of hatred on my part, as you always want to imply. you can see your future wherewer you will, just stop to adjust the past accordingly. i simply wonder how much damage stockholm syndrome has already done around here and that it apparently still remains in effect.

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@wawa

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its not the question of hatred on my part, as you always want to imply.

Hatred on your part, yes, that is always my impression.

@pavlor

best case you have mistaken irritation for hatred.

@pavlor

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pavlor wrote:AmigaOne is without doubt most successful Amiga project since 1994.

By what metric ?

I'd say MorphOS and even AROS are on similar footing.

Amithlon probraly outsold all A1s even being discontinued for 13 years now.

And than there is (Win)UAE .....

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@wawa

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best case you have mistaken irritation for hatred.

Seems to be really deep irritation.

@Kronos

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By what metric ?

Using Amiga brand on hardware. Projects you mentioned have nothing to do with Amiga brand (for their own good, I must say ).

@pavlor

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pavlor wrote: @cdimauro Quote: Commodore USA sold a new Commodore64, and that's a clear successor. So the old one should be labeled "Classic Commodore 64". Should be, if business of CommodoreUSA was at least as successful as AmigaOne project and not horrible disaster it became.

Both are disasters, even a successful successor could not rename my Amiga or my C64.

Impersonating the old systems was done as publicity stunt by people riding on coat tails of discontinued legends.

@OneTimer1

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Both are disasters,

I don´t think so... AmigaOne is still sold.

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even a successful successor could not rename my Amiga or my C64.

For your information, even Cloanto uses term "classic".

@pavlor

Well I wonder if I'm going to find myself some classic games

http://www.classicgamesarcade.com/

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