@KimmoK

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KimmoK wrote: (thought that someone was still thinking that Workbench is the 68k Amiga OS)

The OS explicitly CAN NOT be called "AmigaOS" since this is exclusively used for Hyperion's PPC OS. This is why the "68k Amiga OS" indeed is being called "Workbench". All versions of it, Workbench!

@Hypex

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Hypex wrote: Quote: AmigaOne IS NOT Amiga I disagree with you there. To me the AmigaOne is Amiga but the AmigaOne is not an Amiga.

Yes to you the AmigaOne "is" Amiga.

...and to person x AROS "is" Amiga.

...and to person y MorphOS "is" Amiga.

...and to person Bill McEwen some weird Tao crap "is" Amiga.

But it's a bit difficult to oppose the fact that Amiga computers ARE Amiga!




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Quote: The OS available for real Amiga computers today is called Workbench Today? Don't you mean yesterday?

Announcing updated Workbench 3.1 (October 30, 2014):
http://www.amigaforever.com/news-events/classic-support-3-1/

Buy Workbench 1.3, Workbench 2.1 and Workbench 3.1 (this instant, if you want to):
http://www.amigaforever.com/media/

So yes, today!


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Anyway that's inaccurate. Workbench is simply the desktop. It isn't the whole OS. There are lots of system files in AmigaOS that are not part of Workbench. Especially where the package includes ROMs that is more than a Workbench, that is an AmigaOS release, whatever they called it.

The whole OS is called Workbench. Maybe this will change in some future (which I very much doubt), but if it isn't - Deal with it! It explicitly can not be called "AmigaOS". The only thing called "AmigaOS" is that PPC OS published by Hyperion (not running on Amiga computers ).

@Arnie

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Arnie wrote: @TRIPOS You wrong with your summery here. Commodore may not have initially used the phase AmigaOS

No I'm not wrong. Commodore never ever sold a product called "AmigaOS". Escom was the first who legally and officially started selling "AmigaOS" products. Never said that nobody never called it "AmigaOS" or used the term "AmigaOS" in writing or whatever, this isn't even relevant the slightest. Please keep focused to what you read. The first "AmigaOS" product ever released, was by Escom, and this was after the original Commodore/Amiga died.

Not that it matters to this topic, but let's keep facts straight, shouldn't we?

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Cloanto are the only people to call the Amiga's operating system Workbench.

Please answer this:

It's a fact that Cloanto sells updated versions of the OS. Apart from every single version (from 1.0 and onwards) they sell v1.3 and 2.1 (very minor updates) and v3.1 (a few rather significant updates, though still true to the origial).

Under what product name should they sell this? "AmigaOS"?

(Note, I'm not calling for a name contest, just please answer the yes/no question above)

@Rob

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(a lot of irrelevant images removed) Rob wrote: The truth of the matter is the Commodore never had a default name for the operating system.

Exactly!

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Id assume that the Workbench name came into popular use in the Amiga press and userbase is because the user booted from the Workbench disk and the Workbench manual explained how to use the OS.

That's probably the explanation, yes!

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Cloanto use the Workbench brand for the maket and sale of the OS because they don't have the rights to use the Amiga OS brand name and it aslo avoids any possible confusionwith later versions. It is also a brand name that users have long associated with the OS.

Couldn't agree more!

Their explanation from their "about the name article" say it all:

"One of the many unique points of the Amiga Forever project is its consistent use of the name "Workbench" for the operating system, which as such has become a Cloanto "trademark". Neither "Amiga OS" (with a space between "Amiga" and "OS") nor "AmigaOS" (without spaces) are used in Amiga Forever for this purpose.

Cloanto's use of the "Workbench" name for the operating system also helps avoid confusion with projects like AmigaOS 4.0, as Amiga Forever focuses entirely on "Classic" Amiga systems."

@TRIPOS

this is from a very old web page (1992)



toastytech.com/guis/amiga1.html

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@noXLar

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this is from a very old web page (1992) toastytech.com/guis/amiga1.html

very old webpage containing information about mac osx? besides this site, even if not very accurate, actually confirms amiga was delivered with workbench, kickstart und amiga dos, instead of any amigaos.

@TRIPOS

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The fact that they have already released updated versions speaks for itself.

Updated? Some of "updated" components are even older than 3.9BB2!


As Cloanto acquired these rights in 2011/2012 (by their own declaration), I assume they are now Amiga party in regards to "the Software" (OS3.1).

@TRIPOS

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The OS explicitly CAN NOT be called "AmigaOS" since this is exclusively used for Hyperion's PPC OS. This is why the "68k Amiga OS" indeed is being called "Workbench".

Right.

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All versions of it,

Except 3.5 and 3.9 releases of course.

@TRIPOS

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The whole OS is called Workbench.

You mean older releases up to 3.1?

@noXLar

He knows very well, how old term AmigaOS is (I found references in 1986 usenet discussion by Andy Finkel himself!). I wonder, why he so insists on so untenable "statements".

@pavlor

Presumably the one in reply to Thad Florian, who wrote the subject line containing the strange description "AmigaOS 2.0".

Do you have anywhere that Andy used the term himself? I'm sure you wouldn't be trying to pass that off as 'official' in any way.

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@Boot_WB


I will cite my reply in the AmigaOS Twenty-Five news thread:


Name "AmigaOS" (or more often "Amiga OS") is commonly used from early 1990s (look at usenet discussions from 1990/1991). See eg. this thread from May 1990. Here Dave Haynie speaks about "Amiga OS" in May 1989. To cite also Andy Finkel (December 1986): "let's discuss the misuse of the term AmigaDos to describe the
entire Amiga OS. That should be interesting, yea, that's the ticket."

Enough?

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Commodore never ever sold a product called "AmigaOS". Escom was the first who legally and officially started selling "AmigaOS" products. Never said that nobody never called it "AmigaOS" or used the term "AmigaOS" in writing or whatever, this isn't even relevant the slightest. Please keep focused to what you read. The first "AmigaOS" product ever released, was by Escom, and this was after the original Commodore/Amiga died.

Actually Village Tronic was selling Amiga 3.1 Roms + Disks and was already calling it "Amiga OS 3.1" in march 1995, a few months before Escom bought Commodore.

See: http://download.abandonware.org/magazines/Amiga%20News/amiganews_numero77/Amiga%20News%20077%20-%20Page%20072%20%281995-03%29.jpg

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must be really pita to insist on this "amigaos" name convention, search out mentions, links to third pary sites and old posts just in order to document some barely accesible, evem if not so important, bit of legacy, al long as "amiga" name, trademarks or whatever has constituted it seems out of reach.

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Question.

Why Amiga OS on none Amiga Hardware?
..............................................

Amiga Hardware. To emphasize...AMIGA Hardware.

The only AMIGA hardware ever made for sale to the public was the A1000.

There, go pick at those bones.

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@TRIPOS

Workbech = AmigaOS – AmigaDOS – Kickstart ROM.
AmigaOS = Kickstart ROM + AmigaDOS + Workbench

Well yes there is difference between Workbench and AmigaOS.
first of all Workbech is loaded by AmigaDOS command "LoadWB", Workbench is not a requirement to use Amiga, not even AmigaDOS is requirement, the kickstarts loads the floppy's boot sector, depending on what is in the first sectors AmigaDOS is loaded, or not. Many Amiga games, have their own trackdisk loadeder for copy protections, and fastfilesystem is not even used. I assume it's also done in order to get few more kb out of the disk.

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@wawa

yea... it's just 5 min with google search with my phone..nothing special

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@noXLar

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@wawa yea... it's just 5 min with google search with my phone..nothing special

just as much as it is worth as a proof.

@wawa

As you may remember, we went through this before... with your own participation.

@Leo

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Actually Village Tronic was selling Amiga 3.1 Roms + Disks and was already calling it "Amiga OS 3.1" in march 1995, a few months before Escom bought Commodore.

Correct.

However, some dispute legality of this release.