@tlosm

do you also do browser-based tests?

@OlafS25

yes but without jit result are terrible everyware

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@tlosm

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tlosm wrote: @AP edit: cinebench 10.5

Are you sure? The photo from your link says Cinebench 11.5.

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@tlosm

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Quote: OlafS25 wrote: do you also do browser-based tests? tlosm wrote: yes but without jit result are terrible everyware

Without JIT, it comes down to the CPU. Which is what we want to benchmark, yes?

Octane 2.0

1. About the benchmark
2. How to run it on mobile/desktop devices
3. -> Go! (Click the bottom link)

@TRIPOS

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Without JIT, it comes down to the CPU. Which is what we want to benchmark, yes?

It seems you and tlosm have the same approach to benchmarking.

@tlosm:

Here are my results with Cinebench 11.5 on my AROS/Win-Box from 2012/13 (Intel Core i5-2400 CPU, 4x3.1 Ghz):

CPU : 5.06
CPU (Singe Core): 1.37

Your results with Powermac G5/Quad:

CPU : 1.94
CPU (Singe Core): 0.51

(higher values are better)

If this means "race without problem" than we live in separate realities...

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@thread

i know i'm going to regret this, but....

as someone who actually worked on the team delivering the PPC970-series, the idea that it could compare favorably against current (skylake) i5 or i7 processors is extremely unlikely. certainly there may be workloads that might be found, but they would be rare cases indeed. in terms of raw single-thread performance (integer and floating-point), SIMD arithmetic performance, I/O throughput, or aggregate memory subsystem throughput, the 970 is not going to keep up well. you're talking about a decade's worth of architectural and process advancements here.

i'm not sure why this is even being debated, to be honest. the 970 is terrific family of processors, and helped to underpin some real beasts out there, but i think trying to argue that it is competitive against intel's and AMD's offerings in 2016 in the consumer space is wishful thinking at best.

again, i'm sure this won't end the argument -- nothing ever seems to -- but just thought i'd put in my two cents.

-- eliyahu

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@AP

Mmm, Sandy Bridge (2nd Generation i5). I remember that. I was considering it once, when I thought of upgrading from the first generation i7. I held my trigger though.

And indeed it totally ownes the quad G5!

But Core i5-2400 was released in January 2011. Half a decade ago.

It would be interesting to benchmark the "G5"/"X5000" against a modern i5 as well, since we are speaking about current (and close future) computing!

Sandy Bridge
Ivy Bridge
Haswell
Broadwell
Skylake

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Core_i5_microprocessors

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@Raffaele

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@Yssing Quote: Yssing wrote: So even after Helge has been banned from most forums, he still continues to cause a fuss. The man is an idiot and is doing everything he can to miscredit AmigaOS, Hyperion and so on.. Honestly IMHO his defence on his blog site seems quite normal, with syntetic topics and organic discussion, with nor babbling ranting neither accusations to anyone. In the least it has a sense. Why people here accused him of molesting insane fanboysm?

Perhaps thats the case with his blog, I don't read it anymore, I stopped reading his blog ages ago, and I totally dropped all contact with him on facebook, where his ramblings were really far out. Lots of accusations and what not.
Look if it were just one forum that had banned him, then you could argue, that its not him but the forum, but in this case, where he is blocked on basically every forum relating to amiga, the finger certainly points at him.

His way of trying to get the "truth" just pissed people off and he never got the "truth" and even if he did, he wouldn't accept it, if it did not fit into his version of the truth.

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@AP

about cinebench yes you true 11.5 i.m with ipad and have issue with photobuquet
MP ration on quad g5 is 3.84 can you share it too?
another info of much core is your 3.1 ghz i5 and how much is turbo boost?
note 2012 macmini is 2.3 ghz 2 thread
im not livinig in separate realities :P you live with different numbers

edit just read your i5 4 core 8 threads?

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@TRIPOS

X5000/040 will be a relly great system dont worry about.
x5000/20 is a machine who made me not think any more to the quad

in any way the fastest ng machine who make play faster and fastest all the linux 3d games like is cube2, doom3 and so and so...
if you lik intel i suggest you osx.... and you will forgot aros

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@TRIPOS

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It would be interesting to benchmark the "G5"/"X5000" against a modern i5 as well, since we are speaking about current (and close future) computing!

Well, we know SpecInt2006base result for T4240 1.666 GHz (6.86), see spec.org results for comparison...

@tlosm

Hear the voice from the puppeteer:

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eliyahu wrote: as someone who actually worked on the team delivering the PPC970-series, the idea that it could compare favorably against current (skylake) i5 or i7 processors is extremely unlikely. you're talking about a decade's worth of architectural and process advancements here. i'm not sure why this is even being debated, to be honest.

Stop fighting the windmills Sancho^H^H^H^H^H^H tlosm






@eliyahu

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again, i'm sure this won't end the argument -- nothing ever seems to -- but just thought i'd put in my two cents.

You want to end the argument?

Why?

You want to lure more people into buying ~$3000 [none]retro machines of retro performance, running a semi-functional, incomplete OS, that has not even reached retro status, that obviously isn't being seriously developed anymore?

What is your stake in this? Why do you do it? What do you get from this?

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@TRIPOS

i say before ... migrate to osx

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@tlosm

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tlosm wrote: X5000/040 will be a relly great system dont worry about.

Oh, you are already thinking about a Quad Core AmigaOne X5000, for even more money!

Makes perfect sense, for a single core system.


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in any way the fastest ng machine who make play faster and fastest all the linux 3d games like is cube2, doom3 and so and so... if you lik intel i suggest you osx.... and you will forgot aros

2016 has arrived. Maybe you didn't notice, but the time has kind of leveled up.

From this point will come 2017.

In just a few months.

And then 2018.

About there (or before) will the "Tabor" (presumably?) arrive. Possibly with OS4 support. In single core, of course.

This is "potentially" a sign of bad decisions. Right?

It is OS4's future for sure, though...

Fastest processor doesn't mean best user experience. I use from time to time an HP i5 17" 4GB Ram Win7 laptop and it's not responsive at all leading to a very bad user XP.
More than one time I wanted to though it away, I didn't because it is not mine.
Kamelito

@TRIPOS

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Oh, you are already thinking about a Quad Core AmigaOne X5000, for even more money!

i like powerpc and that machine will be the best powerpc os4 and mos compatible
ps: i use linux smp

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@TRIPOS

It would be nice if you could just accept that some people on AmigaWorld actually LIKE OS4 & ppc hardware. It really dosen't matter to most of us that Intel hardware is faster, we just enjoy using OS4 more than Windows or MacOS.

But I suppose that is too much to ask of you....

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@BCP

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It really dosen't matter to most of us that Intel hardware is faster, we just enjoy using OS4 more than Windows or MacOS

exactly! as i stated in my post today's PC hardware is substantially faster on nearly every level than our amigas -- but that doesn't mean i don't prefer using AOS4 and MOS on PPC systems. i think some folks are so wrapped up in flamewars and point-scoring, that it's hard to see where the rest of us are coming from.

the best thing is just to not engage. there's no point; you won't convince them, and trying to only feeds the flames.

-- eliyahu

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@eliyahu

I agree.

I enjoy tinkering with my Vampire 600. Its money vs performance ratio compared to mainstream hardware is ludacris, but I dont care. Its FUN!