@number6

Criminal record background scans? That's just downright nasty!

@WolfpackN64

does that remind me of some tarantino title? everybody can find themselves in circumstances to take a job as a conductor. do we need to find out all the dirt and pursue people, rather than simply rely on whats important to us, treating the rest as a black box?

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@wawa

People who have been in prison have been punished, locking them out of jobs is only making their situation worse.

How can Aaron sleep at night, knowing he might be complicit in destroying people's lives or people's second chances?

I liked AOTL and their mission when they started out, but knowing Aaron's background now... That's just awful.

@WolfpackN64
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People who have been in prison have been punished, locking them out of jobs is only making their situation worse.

you are right. at least to an extent where punishment, as an element of interaction between an "absolutely free" individual and the superior "social structure" he or she is involved with, may come in play and how it behaves in the end. usa seem a prime example here, but maybe we have been just spared of it in europe. for the time being. i still think it exceeds the volume of this discussion.

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@wawa

Indeed, it might not say much about what is happening now, but it does make me question his moral compass.

@BigD

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A) Talking to Amigakit to resolve the differences.

Not taking sides here, but as i read it, it does not seem something impulsive ...

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B) Giving a professional press release showing some regret at the state of affairs without being petulant and bitter.

And you might wanna commend him for not interfering in this ... "debate" ..

Evert

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@WolfpackN64

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his moral compass.

seems to have been no issue as long as he has not challenged anyone else. i have kept quiet on this. i can stay this way. i wish you guys did, instead of smashing the furniture.

@wawa

This whole situation could have been handled better by everyone, but throwing it in the open extracted the kind of response that was to be expected. I didn't know about his other business before, but I consider it a problem.

@jorit2

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And you might wanna commend him for not interfering in this ... "debate" .. Evert

No I don't commend him. He stirred the hornets nest, stormed out of the AmigaOne market with a petulant jibe at 8 months of presumably torrid (from his point of view) dealings with Amigakit and A-EON where he was to onlookers in the enviable position of having the North American AmigaOne distribution market all to himself FOR 8 WHOLE MONTHS!!!! He ran to the hills and left us all to try and work out why he felt that way (not that it matters as it's none of our concern as potential customers of a product that is still available to buy and still being manufactured despite the tiny market and odds against this being the case)!

Had he said something more respectful and humble it wouldn't have blown up like this on this forum. Quite frankly someone who wants to bad mouth the business dealings of A-EON and Amigakit publicly rather than keeping personal disgruntlements to the board room is not someone you'd want as an important linchpin in a global distribution network anyway. He needs AmigaKit and A-EON to bring credance to his company not the other way around!

He simply should have stated his regret at having made the difficult decision to cease the sale of Amigakit and A-EON affiliated products due to unresolved differences and therefore kept a semblance of respect for the parties involved. It's not hard, I don't have a PR background but it just makes business sense especially in such a small market.

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First I was about to file an abuse report for his offensive and rude behavior...

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eliyahu wrote: @wawa piss off.

...but after reading this...

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eliyahu wrote: to see anti-competitive moves like this does not speak well for amigakit, and demonstrates that when it comes to A-EON, there is *no* barrier between the two entities, except on paper. to say this has devastated my view on things is an understatement. between this and some other things behind the scenes, i'm damn near ready to take a hammer to my X5000 and walk away.

...I changed my mind. I don't want him banned, I want to see how this plays out!

And BTW: "there is *no* barrier between the two entities, except on paper" = AeonKit

@WolfpackN64

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eople who have been in prison have been punished, locking them out of jobs is only making their situation worse.

So you'd be fine with a convicted paedophile working at the school you seend your kids to.

@Rob

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So you'd be fine with a convicted paedophile working at the school you seend your kids to.

So on that logic you'd have a problem with an ex-abortion nurse working in a nursery? You think they might fall into bad habits and knock off a toddler! Although maybe you wouldn't have an issue with that one because aborting children is legal and therefore a perfectly respectable career choice?!

Or maybe you'd have a problem with Eric Cantona teaching you children football because he might at any moment kung foo kick someone in the head?!

Your logic is rubbish. There is not a 100% reoffending record amongst ex-offenders and if there was it would be because people like you weren't giving them a 2nd chance.

There is a child sex offenders record to protect children from convicted paedophiles. Giving ex-cons jobs is something we should all be supportive of otherwise how exactly do you think they are going to rehabilitated?

Even a paedophile should be encouraged to work! We want them to keep busy and use their time constructively, just not around children. This is to remove them from temptation to reoffend as well as protect the children from risk. However, ex-cons have done their time and paid their debt to society.

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@Rob

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eople who have been in prison have been punished, locking them out of jobs is only making their situation worse.

convinced.. you might be wrong, you might be right, im not sure.. one question, how long does it take for you to pass judgement on someone on the net? few hours ago you might have defended him most furiously (likely based on hearsay) and now you simply swap sides? have some independant reasoning.. instead of taking next best accusation outof the bag. what comes next? the hitler thing?

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@wawa

Don't put words in my mouth.
And I'm not taking sides, if I were to, I'd have to say I support Trevor.
And that Matt IS his partner (but he's picked less than perfect partners before).

So, this situation is completely an issue of whether or not AmigaKit supports its dealer network.
And we have no idea about that one way or another.

BUT, I started in retail electronics in the '80s.
AND, as a rule of thumb, back then I stopped carrying products when their margin fell below 15%.
These days, that figure would have to be even lower.

However, when it reaches a certain point, you're just performing charity work for the supplier.

I don't know if this is the case.
Aaron hasn't TOLD us what his experiences were like (could be any number of cause).

Then again, you all want to rule out mistreatment via lack of consideration, which really only leaves mistreatment via lack of compensation.

So if you want to abuse someone in business because he won't essential GIVE you stuff AND waste his time doing so, well, that IS so Amigan.

@iggy

it isnt yours to tell not mine. we dont know what this is about, do we?

@wawa

You've all told me what it can't be, right?
So, what's that leave?

You're a confusing bunch.
You'll pay dearly for some piece of crap you can't get any other way, but you'll screw your own mothers out of a dime if you can.
Or did I miss something back in the '80s and '90s when theft of software made it uneconomical for companies to supply the Amiga market?

Personally, I believe in fairly compensating my hardware and software vendors, but hey I appear to be atypical.

I'm off for tonight.
Draw your wagons in circle and mutter at yourselves for awhile.

Jim

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@Rob

You do know that's a silly example. Paedophiles are excluded from working with or near children. You do know a vast majority of people in the US are in prison for minor drug offenses? And these people are hurt because ANY criminal record destroys a lot of job opportunities.

@wawa

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wawa wrote: @Rob Quote: eople who have been in prison have been punished, locking them out of jobs is only making their situation worse. convinced.. you might be wrong, you might be right, im not sure.. one question, how long does it take for you to pass judgement on someone on the net? few hours ago you might have defended him most furiously (likely based on hearsay) and now you simply swap sides? have some independant reasoning.. instead of taking next best accusation outof the bag. what comes next? the hitler thing?

Why are you replying to me?

@WolfpackN64

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You do know that's a silly example. Paedophiles are excluded from working with or near children.

Perhaps it was a bit of an extreme example but without a background check how would such people be excluded from working with children. With regard to petty crimes, it up to the employer who gets the job and not the person doing the background check.

@Rob

Because the employer can ask. People who have been convicted for pedophile charges are obligated to mention to mention their criminal past. If they don't, they have a much harder punishment waiting for them.

I have no problem with employers asking for criminal records, but the matter of fact is that background checks are mostly used to exclude people who committed petty crimes from jobs they need to build their lives up again.

I know it's a fault on the employers part that they refuse to hire these people, but companies that perform background checks are very complicit in this broken system. Usually, they're even the ones advocating background checks to companies that might not have bothered before, making the problem worse.