@Tpod

Buy this, soft mod THEA500 Mini or splash out on a FPGA based Amiga or an A1200 with PiStorm (other Classics are available)... the choice is yours!

I think the AmiStore is the big USP for the A600 GS but that isn't ready at launch sadly.

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@Tpod

I am very much interested in any device that enables users to play the games from the large Amiga library.

We all hoped/expected that The A500 Mini would be hackable in order to play more games than the OOTB selection. And the community ran with it: Going beyond merely enabling access for more games, to also run Amiga productivity software (for whatever that’s worth today).

For me, The A500 Mini represents a base-level solution/experience.
The Apollo FPGA solutions, both expansions and standalone, elevate the Amiga retro-scape by offering enhancements and advancements to the 68k and AGA implementations, and have happily seen (thus far a small amount) software which is newly developed to take advantage of these “plus” factors.
In this I support them, and hope to see this niche of niches grow. They transitioned us from V2 to V4, and in the not too distant future I’d like to see yet another mostly backward/forward compatible jump from V4 to Vn.

The A600GS also goes beyond the base-level A500M by offering a network/online integrated system for easier upgrades and software library updates, more performance, and potentially a retro platform for which it could be easier to develop (and market) software, than the BYO Hacks A500M.

This 68k renaissance is where we find all the action, and so naturally there is a little bit of a “land grab” happening. The RGL pulled off quite the coup with The A500 Mini, but if they’re not following through, others will.

Despite the minority of individuals being vehemently against the idea of emulation, the nascent 68k renaissance within our niche can’t wait for new relatively low-cost and mass-produced 68k silicon.
Starting with software-driven solutions, which also includes FPGA, allows for easier balancing of compatibility and increased performance as the land beneath us all inevitably shifts rapidly.

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I have the a500 mini. I buy it for fun and i can say it is a cool object for what it can do. Not only amiga games and amiga 68k software but pandory too.
I dont know what sense will have this A600 gs. it have not a taste. Dont look like an amiga 600 and why i have to buy it when i have a 500mini or a rasperry pi?

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@ DiscreetFX – I'm sure you wont be the only current Amiga user that will end up adding one to their collection but that wont really help Amiga-Kit in the long run … it needs to be outstanding enough to appeal to those outside our community.

@ BigD & agami

If they do an excellent job at implementing Amistore & updates then yes this could be a significant USP, but that's a big if.

Also its yet another subdivision of Amiga for developers to be asked to support! As I said I know I could be wrong about this (I hope I am) but I still cant see this being a winner.

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@Tpod

Not just developers, AmigaKit will have to support it too - it’s a commercially sold networked device, it must comply with regulations, host operating system must be maintained etc. all kinds of stuff retrogames.biz don’t have to deal with since they specifically left out networking (IMO a quite sensible choice!)

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@kolla

That's not what I wanted to hear; even more reason to think this is going to be a cock up! I'll try & forget about this A600GS thing completely … firing up the 2000 now for a quick blast of Agony to take my mind off it!

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Wow.

This looks truly awful.

Dont know if it's actually the case, but judging by the image the joypad looks like a badly $5 eBay snes clone controller. I dont think Ive ever seen such poor performance on a currently available ARM SoC either.
Even the A500 mini is faster than this, and that has the some of the weakest hardware in these "mini" systems.

Calling this "half assed" would be an insult to the effort put in by those making "half assed" emulation based systems.

To each their own, but if I were to buy one of these I'd feel like the butt of a cruel joke.

@fishy_fis

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Even the A500 mini is faster than this, and that has the some of the weakest hardware in these "mini" systems.

Considering Analogue are making the '3D' an FPGA based N64 clone and the Mini runs Mario Kart 64 with no slow down in 2-player I'd say it's powerful enough! Jim Power can be tweaked to work ok in Pandory. The only thing I can't play is Napalm!

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@fishy_fis

I am not sure where you saw in the video that the performance was low or laggy. Games run at 50 FPS in our tests. We have GL enabled for a smooth performance. We demoed the A600GS live to end users at Kickstart 01 show, Amiga38 and Amiwest shows. We had a lot of people stopping by our stands playing their favourite games and running scenes demos. No one that tested the system complained about performance.

We invited Amiga game developers such as Daniel Muessener to test drive the A600GS and give us feedback. We had a positive response.

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When will this beautiful machine be available so we can buy?

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It shouldn’t be too much longer. Hope to have it ready for Amiga Ireland show in January.

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A600GS running Directory Opus under SystemV46

The default bitmap font is the new SysZen font.

USB flash drives are accessed through device USB0: and files can be copied to the A600GS using DOpus.

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This looks really nice, thanx for sharing.

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The font seems to cut q, y, p, g and j short.

Is ARexx present when launching DOpus, PPaint and OctaMED SoundStudio?

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It has the speed shown in Sysinfo. Its terrible by any standards when dealing with currently available SoCs..
And do you really not see the stupidity in writing "games run at 50fps"?
No, they don't. Not all. An emulator updating at 50fps doesn't equate to the software running at 50fps. How does this elude you? It's emulation 101. And what about frametime consistency? Frame rate isn't very important. Surely if you're making a system you'd have this very, very, very basic knowledge?
And where did I say laggy anyway?
And GL doesn't accelerate much, only software that, shock horror, uses ogl. AND that's done on the host, its not indicative of emulation speed.

Your response is very much a non response.
Like a marketing response without 1st having conferred with people who understand the topic.

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@BigD

There's situations where the A500 mini cant run software at full speed and for every %1 less speed these situations will show up %2 more (numbers plucked from a hat, but it gets the idea across).
A reduction of about %20 vs the A500 mini will end up with quite a few scenarios where end results simply aren't acceptable for a sold product. Unless its going to be one of those $30 cheap and nasty emulation devices, but its being advertised as something else.

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There's situations where the A500 mini cant run software at full speed and for every %1 less speed these situations will show up %2 more

Yep, but there are work arounds using Soft Mods such as Pandory to speed problem games up like Jim Power. My main issue with slow down is music timings! For example, the music at the end of levels in Alien Breed 3D; definitely 5% slower than it should be despite the game running faster than a stock Amiga 1200.

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The A600GS wiki is now updated at

http://wiki.amiga.org/index.php?title=A600GS

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@amigakit

The best birthday gift you could give me this first week of December is an announcement of when the A600GS is likely to be available for pre-order/purchase and planned delivery time-frames.

Heck, I'll settle for a simple online email address capture form for expressions of interest.

Pleeeeaaasse

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@agami

Delivery will be in Q1/2024. Development is drawing to a close on the main User Interface- just localisation and optimisation to follow. Work is progressing on SystemV46 and further updates will continue after product launch as this is a much larger project.

In the meantime, here is a picture of the A600GS retail box:

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