@OlafS25

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OlafS25 wrote: @kolla Magellan is a software that can be used as filemanager or full desktop

If by “full desktop� you mean Workbench substitute, Isn’t that what I wrote? There isn’t any “or�, the “desktop� feature cannot be turned off. For some time I used multimonitor setup in my A3000 (just yet another thing the V4SA isn’t capable of) with Workbench on one monitor and dopus magellan on another..

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@geen_naam

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Where I come from, we clean up our own mess. ... And I do enjoy using it. Dispite having your fingerprints all over it

So much innuendo potential, but I must resist.

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@geen_naam

Sure. No hard feelings...

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@geen_naam & @Karlos

I see you're enjoying the verbal sparring. That's great, but can you slow it down a bit please. It's an entertaining read, but reading so many pages is sucking up too much time.

Comedy is better in a shorter episodic format...

@Karlos

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What I disagree with is OS4 being stuck in developmental stasis because it's trapped on a platform that it can't gain any traction on. When was the last major 4.x release? MorphOS has had many more updates despite also being stuck on the same melting iceberg. What is the differentiating factor there? Availability. Compatible old Mac hardware is way more accessible and even that is still far less accessible than a Pi.

While being stuck on expensive hardware certainly doesn't help, I don't think this is the root cause of the lack of updates.

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@Hans

As someone with more recent experience, what would you say the root cause is?

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@Karlos

Hooley feck! Five pages of overnights.

I admire your tenacious desire to lift people to a higher standard of discourse, but you can only do it if they want to leave the poop-slinging, simian level.

I know I previously said that geen_naam is a huge dick. I feel I need to correct that statement:
It's become a lot clearer now, and I see he is in fact a colossal dick.
I was going to say massive dick, but I'm sure he would take it as a compliment, which immediately bumps him to colossal level.

Never graduated past kindergarten sandbox argumentation. He should change his AW.net handle to @gish_gallop.

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@Karlos

nobody need os from year 2000 on x86/arm
karlos you should start working on something useful on arm instead of trolling
if you want people to switch to x86/arm
you have to provide os no more than ten years behind win/lnx/osx/android/ios

back to the topic

32-bit PPC on FPGA with 68k core
ocs for old games and better graphcis for rest
will be wonderfull amiga

@Hans

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It's an entertaining read,

Almost spilled my coffee a few times, reading the last page of nonsense, we really get to know each other on this site without moderation getting in the way, but I feel that we can't have constructive talks and heated arguments at the same time. This is why I think Amigans and amigaworld have different purposes. And I grateful for etch.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

It's just a thorough ribbing.

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@Karlos

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As someone with more recent experience, what would you say the root cause is?

I signed an NDA, so can't say too much. Plus, it's bad form to publicly discuss what was confidential. So, sticking to what's publicly known...

A number of years ago regular small updates were released, which had AmigaOS 4 users checking AmiUpdate regularly. Then, there was a management change, and suddenly they stopped. I don't remember any public announcement being made, which must have been puzzling to end-users. The intention was to return to releasing larger updates at larger time intervals. Sadly, it takes more work and testing to package up bigger batches of updates. With other things happening internally, updates became very sparse. I can't even remember how long people had to wait for the next update.

From the outside, this change didn't look good. Both existing users and potential new users could be forgiven for thinking that development had stopped. That doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the product now, does it?

Now imagine you're a (volunteer) developer who's receiving bug reports from users for a bug that you fixed over a year ago. Why? Because said bug-fix still hasn't been released publicly. Would you feel motivated to keep working on code, not knowing when people will actually get to use it?

There was more going on, but I think this gives you some idea of how decisions made had unintended consequences.

Hans

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@NutsAboutAmiga

What I found odd is how some behave so differently when they feel they have no bounds... So much cowardice, behaving like pussies when they are moderated but create a macho men persona when they aren't.

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@Hans

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... had unintended consequences.

But surely entirely foreseeable. AmiUpdate was a good thing (TM). Nothing prevents both models being in use, many OS distributions have both release mechanisms in place. Major releases being major new features. Updates are for minor stuff and fixes.

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@Karlos

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But surely entirely foreseeable. AmiUpdate was a good thing (TM). Nothing prevents both models being in use, many OS distributions have both release mechanisms in place. Major releases being major new features. Updates are for minor stuff and fixes.

True.

I also think that AmigaOS 4 for the A1222 could have been ready years ago, despite the limited resources. Yes, before the world went bat shit crazy over an alleged mutant bat virus. If that had happened, then the sales price would have been a fraction of what it is now.

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@pixie

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So much cowardice, behaving like pussies

Some people just want to enjoy their hobby, with not having to defend it, all the time, I do not think that as being coward, if look at the number of comments I made on this forum, most of it has achieved absolutely nothing has been huge waste of time. It certainly not a good use of time getting involved in forever arguments.

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@ppcamiga1

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ppcamiga1 wrote: back to the topic 32-bit PPC on FPGA with 68k core ocs for old games and better graphcis for rest will be wonderfull amiga

If you go back a good number of pages, you'll see that this probably isn't going to work. Too slow.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

The cowardice I was referring was, behaving differently in one place from other because one place is moderated and the other hasn't.
I have no problems with people having different opinions, why would I, I might have problems when some tell others what they should do or not though. I never said you were the one being coward.

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@Hans

And so few of the OS devs has the spine to stand up and say enough is enough of all the BS. I predict that OS3 devs soon enough will be in same situation (if they aren’t already.) And with lots of code in 3.2 being infected with Hyperion copyright claims, one has to start anew, from 3.1, again.

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Whatever the root cause(s), the end result as it stands today is pathological to the platform. Hardware that's difficult to obtain, an OS that seems completely moribund whether or not there's actually any stuff happening behind the scenes, no visibility or statement of intent. We have an upcoming hardware release that was first discussed years ago.

At the very least, it's my sincere hope that there's some sort of big bang release with the A1222. Not some huge feature release but an update that addresses the looming problems with FPU compatibility. What that might entail is hard to say but it would be nice if, for example, any commercial software releases you already had licenses would entitle you to a free update (or just a rebuild) compiled for the new hardware as and when they become available. That requires a fair amount of cooperation though so I don't see it happening.

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@Hans

FYI, if you AmigaOS 4 independent developers would form a union, I can get you out of your NDAs.
But something tells me there's a whole bunch who feel superior for being on the inside of Hyperion's scheme, and love stating how they can't say anything because they're under NDA.

Also it kind of surprises me that Ben would have written an NDA which permits parties to talk about its existence. Maybe he's slipping.

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