I remember the discussions a few years back regarding amithlon and Haage & Partner and the fact that work on the project had ceased because of certain 'issues'.

Question I have is... who owns the source, distibution rights to Amithlon and how much would it cost to buy them lock stock and barrel? .. it's obvious there is no value left in the software as the situation currently stands.

Didn't it do OS3.9 on x86?

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Skyraker wrote: I remember the discussions a few years back regarding amithlon and Haage & Partner and the fact that work on the project had ceased because of certain 'issues'. Question I have is... who owns the source

Bernd Meyer owns the majority of it and Harald Frank ows the rest I think.

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distibution rights to Amithlon

I think Bernie would be best answering this one

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and how much would it cost to buy them lock stock and barrel? .. it's obvious there is no value left in the software as the situation currently stands. Didn't it do OS3.9 on x86?

It did 3.x upwards on x86 with full access to the hardware from the Amiga side.

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Very cool video of Bernie explaining what Amithlon does

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The way things are (madness), if it could be reconciled I could see Ainc refusing permission for it to be used because it would 'confuse' the public with their awful Amiga Anywhere offerings...

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[quote]Amiga were also offered Amithlon before anyone else. I was the first to run it. It ROCKED HARD. I begged them to use it, we had a WINNER and could sell a bajillion of them. We owned all the rights to it! But sadly, Bill and Fleecy didn't want peopl

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Skyraker wrote: The way things are (madness), if it could be reconciled I could see Ainc refusing permission for it to be used because it would 'confuse' the public with their awful Amiga Anywhere offerings...

I've always thought a combination of AROS and Amithlon would be a great product, but I think Bernie has said in the past he wasn't interested at all in AROS.

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@nicholas

Just to get something out the door.... even at 20 dollars a go.. or even free would be something... people talk about PS3 etc, which is all well and good but the tool do deliver to x86 is there, working and ... stuck in the amiga quicksand...

It all beggars belief... if ever a platform was cursed....


ps: enjoying the vids, i hadnt seen them before..

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The Amithlon-Umilator story

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nicholas wrote: @Skyraker Quote: Skyraker wrote: I remember the discussions a few years back regarding amithlon and Haage & Partner and the fact that work on the project had ceased because of certain 'issues'. Question I have is... who owns the source Bernd Meyer owns the majority of it and Harald Frank ows the rest I think.

But if one were interested in buying the sources, you'd want Umilator (Amithlon 2), and that's been stripped of any Harold Frank code.

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T_Bone wrote: @nicholas Quote: nicholas wrote: @Skyraker [quote] Skyraker wrote: I remember the discussions a few years back regarding amithlon and Haage & Partner and the fact that work on the project had ceased because of certain 'issues'. Question I have is... who owns the source Bernd Meyer owns the majority of it and Harald Frank ows the rest I think.

But if one were interested in buying the sources, you'd want Umilator (Amithlon 2), and that's been stripped of any Harold Frank code.[/quote]

I wonder how much Bernie would want for it?

Wouldn't be cheap I imagine.

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It would require a sum... there are means.. a royalty would be applicable and fair..

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@Skyraker

Well Bernie just posted here.

Maybe he missed this thread, or maybe he just ignored it?

How about changing the thread title to "HOW MUCH FOR THE UMILATOR SOURCE BERNIE?"?

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Question I have is... who owns the source, distibution rights to Amithlon and how much would it cost to buy them lock stock and barrel? .. it's obvious there is no value left in the software as the situation currently stands.

The simple answer (or as simple as it can be in this crazy situation) is that nodody owns the distribution rights because the Amithlon is actually several components (kernel, emulator, drivers, and data like OS3.9 and the Amiga roms) all of which came from different sources.

To complicate things the rights to individual components are disputed - Bernie wrote the emulator, but Harald Frank claims ownership of the 'idea' behind Amithlon. Amiga Inc says it owns the rights to AmigaOS, but some of the code in 3.9 was written by Haage & Partner. It's all one big mess.

So in order to put together a legally sellable Amithlon package you would need everyone involved to agree not only to such distribution, but also to who exactly owns what. Given the history of Amithlon, that's about as likely as George W. Bush announcing that Osama Bin Laden is his gay lover....

To be honest, I think I'd actually be far easier and cheaper to buy the rights to OS4 and then pay someone to write a PPC emulator to run it on!

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Maybe he missed this thread, or maybe he just ignored it?

Short answer --- I decided to ignore the thread because anything I'd write in my current mood would be less than helpful.

(Current mood caused by being in the middle of moving house; The move being motivated by our current landlord managing to make used car salesmen look good in comparison, it was a bit disappointing to have the new landlord describe the awful foul stink in the master bedroom as "deodoriser" and advising the owners that there was no issue --- while not even having the courtesy of advising *us* that our request to fix it, ASAP, before we move in, would be ignored. Oh well....)

@umisef

Hi bernd.
is it just me, or are you always unlucky with your landlords?.. seems to remember something similar during the amithlon period

btw: did you drop the Mac-ithlon solution you where working on, and did you ever get anything useful running on the peg

kind regards
Lasse Bodilsen

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Is there a Macthilon solution?
I WANT it, really bad
Links, please?

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